Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello M00seUK:

Do you think dyson is not worried about a 15 percent market share loss in 3 years?  In the UK?  Its country of origin for production of the brand name and inventor?  I seriously doubt it.  That drop sets off bells and whistles and raises red flags.  Something very serious is happening.   

The US with a population of 300,000,000 plus sells 20 million new full sized vacuums every year [give or take a few percent].  For example NAD reported 2007 new vacuum sales off 3 percent.  I suspect all in new dysons.  Probably down more but the other vacuum brands increased.  The 20 MILLION number has been consistent since 1997 when US population was about 285 million.  For 10 plus years in the USA, despite ups and downs in the economy, 20 million new vacuums are sold each year. 

The vacuum brands vying for that 20 million in new unit yearly sales would be highly upset if they lost 15 percent in 3 years.  Stay the same year over year?  Yes, that's doable and okay.  Last years' sales numbers are the starting point for all brands when projecting new yearly sales.  Losing market share?  An average of 5 percent a year for 3 consecutive years steady.  Totally unacceptable.  Unless times are bad [as they are now AND the 20 million units sold per year goes down].  Then the vacuum brand had better have the same percent of the fallen market too.  Or, something is seriously wrong.  Big box retailers kick the declining sales brand out and off the shelves.  Quick like.  Make room for the brands selling.  This is happening now with the dyson brand name here in the US.

Is the UK vacuum market different than the US?  If so, how and why?  Don't say durable consumer goods go down in sales year over year.  That is untrue.  Brand name sales of durable products go down year over year, not the total durable product sales.  Attrition of consumer durable goods [like vacuums] accounts for the steady sales numbers for 10 years.  MOLE and LUCKY 1 got it right.  As a Brit and loyal dyson fan, you got it wrong. 

The durable consumer product numbers [for vacuums] year over year stay the same, usually go up, or in extremely rare cases go down.  The latter if the conditions I mentioned above occur.  Then that brand name of the consumer durable product had better have the same percent of the lower number of product sales.   Or heads roll [if you are a publicly traded company, which we all know dyson is not]. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Same BS from the same DA who told us that Hoover would succeed and that Dyson would fail.  How does crow taste?

I am sure that you have convinced yourself, however the rest of us aren't complete DA's.

CarmineD wrote:
Spend some time reading consumer reviews.  One of the biggest gripes is how easily Orecks clog. 

Hello HARDSELL:

Same old same old from a former dyson user who sold his DC07, took the proceeds and bought a new DC14 from SEARS, returned it for a refund because it was unsatisfactory and bought a bagged Royal Eminence for $299.  And then rags on the Royal but praises the dyson.  Still has and uses the Royal!  Doesn't have a dyson and won't buy another one. 

I don't believe anonymous negative ORECK reviews like yours.  I trust my own judgment based on my personal usage and my professional experience with ORECK-s after 40 plus years in the vacuum business.  I factor in those of other ORECK users who I know personally and professionally.  And the positive reviews from Consumer Reports and the Rug Institute of America for ORECK.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You once referenced the forum to the Oreck site to read all the positive reviews.  Duh, talk about a D A.  I trust professionals to report positive on what benefits them the most,  similar to the Oreck posts on the Oreck site.

You're right HS. It was the Rug Institute of America which recommends ORECK and has a link to its Web Site for vacuums.  Not dysons tho.  Not recommended and no link.  Best RIA did for dyson was to use the DC07 pictured in its Web Site.  I learned the story behind it and laughed.   This reminded me.  Inside RIA joke.  Not to be shared with dyson fans.

I'll share it with you off-line in a private message only if you promise not to divulge to others and buy a new dyson.  So I can laugh again. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I checked the RIA website and didn't find any reference to Oreck, or Dyson for that matter. Does this mean Oreck isn't performing like it used to?  I somehow doubt it (seeing as it hasn't really changed in 40 years) but I am suspect of any institute that allows for submission of product and charges the company for testing.  Can a company really be unbiased when they are accepting money from the same people they are testing?  Highly unlikely.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

ORECK probably is absent from the RIA site for the same reason it was not included in the MArch 2008 Consumer Reports edition covering vacuums.  I opine that the new Deluxe series of ORECK models recently launched were too late for the CR deadline.  These are probably being tested and updated to the RIA site.  ORECK has long been a RIA certifed and recommended upright vacuum.

Perhaps you will tell us what is the signature dyson vacuum?  The greater dyson? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

DIB:

This got pushed to the back after some lengthy posts by HS.  I wanted to make sure you see it since you were kind enough to post the Forbes links about dyson.  I subscribed to Forbes years ago.  No more.  Not after father Forbes passed.  Steve Forbes, his son, is okay.  Not a good presidential candidate and politician.  But not like his Harley riding Dad.  May his soul rest in peace.

Any thoughts?  Please tell us which dyson you consider to be the signature model.  Thanks.

BTW, the ubend airway joint kow towed in importance by dyson fans:  Without it and in most cases it was missing and never made it out of the box, caused the DC07 not to have any suction in the tool mode.   Buck item.  Poor design and function.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty:

Good point.  Unfortunately, all companies and profesional associations and organizations have to accept fees to stay in business.  It's the nature of the beast.  Consumers are free to accept/reject the recommendations and certs. 

Ironic you are a believer and quoter of the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy cert for dysons.  But not RIA?  Did the organization accept a fee from dyson to test and certify?  Or is it free?  Maybe you can find out and tell us.

Carmine D.