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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

CarmineD wrote:

Sorry HARDSELL:

Not homes.  But, in the independent vacuum stores.  Whenever a customer asks about how good/bad a dyson is, out comes the kapoc.  Toss some on the rug and ask the potential dyson customer to pick it up with a dyson DC07/14.  The result nixes the dyson sale and interest for good. 

Then the store owner/operator does the kapoc test with his/her vacuum[s] of choice.  Like the ORECK.  The new vacuum sale is made. 

Dyson and the kapoc test have revolutionized and reinvigorated the sales of all non-dyson vacuums in the independent vacuum stores.  I'm told its the best demo test to nix a dyson and sell another brand than any other demo in the vacuum industry.    

Carmine D.

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Carmine,

As you and Mole have pointed out in past posts that dishonesty was a big part of vacuum selling history and today we should assume it is no longer rampant (wink, wink).  We should put full weight in these dealers who use James’ weakest brush roll arrangement when doing a so-called “test” (wink) using Kapok.  I sleep better knowing of all the “Honest Abe’s” out there that are on the side of consumers (wink).        DIB

DIB:

The DC07 and DC14 are dyson's results after 5174 vacuum prototypes and 10 plus years of vacuum production and sales in the UK.  Sad but true.  These are the models that launched dyson in the USA, and most big box USA stores call the DC07 the best dyson seller they ever had.

At least one ardent dyson fan and admirer here still believes and posts that the DC07 WITH THE MOST airwatts of all the dysons is the best dyson of all.  Who's going to break the news to him that dyson discontinued it? 

Only took dyson 4 years to scrub the brushbar and get an industry brush roll.  In large part because it takes a DC07 and DC14 at least 9-10 passes forward and back to pick up the same amount of kapoc that all big box store upright vacuums on the market pick up in 2-3. 

Now, that's the truth with no winks and tongue in cheek. 

Now please tell me, what dyson model would you claim to be the signature dyson.  The greater dyson as some call it? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Not a bad answer.  I expected more of a defense of dealers and their testing-behavior.        DIB

P.S.  It was 5127 prototypes to get to the Dual Cyclone and most (I think) were created in his backyard carriage house.  The DC07 multi arrangement came later.

DIB:

What's an error/mistake of less than 1 percent between friends? 5127, 5174: That's a diff of 47, less than one percent.  Close enough.  Maybe Mr. D should have worked a little bit longer to get the brush roll right?

The kapoc test was obsolete in the vacuum industry for many years.  Why?  After 100 years of vacuum industry experience most uprights and canns with power heads, including the disposables sold in the big box stores, adopted industry standard brush rolls that performed well on all rugs and carpets.  Didn't need the test anymore.  It was a moot test.

Then along comes dyson with its glitzy colors, clear bin, and no clog filters that never lose suction.  And what about the suction: Mega suction called airwatts: 270.  One slight problem that all the dyson people missed: A puny brush roll.  Savvy vacuum pros, like MOLE, recognized it right away.  Laughed at the $500 price tag.  You can tell people until you are blue in the face that the dyson brush bar is so puny that it will take more time to do the same rug cleaning job as all the others can do.   They won't understand.  But show them.  And see their reaction.

Out comes the old kapoc that was sitting on the shelves collecting dust for almost 50 years.  And back to the kapoc test.  Any vacuum currently sold today K-O's a dyson DC07 and a DC14 on rugs and carpets.  Even the $50 uprights in the big box stores.  Most especially an ORECK, any model you choose.  The XL 21 Titanium with the more aggressive brush rolls than the XL, DeLuxe and Ultra,  puts a dyson DC07 and 14 to shame on rugs and carpets.

Shame on James Dyson.  Shame on his 450 engineers and his vacuum company.  Should have known better.

Now please tell me what dyson model is the signature model?  The greater dyson?  Second time I asked you.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Ant the loud mouth cowards are afraid to take the baking soda test with their Oreck.  I know you claim this to be bogus.  Once again, how many homes have baking soda vs. kapock?  Give us tghe chicken poop answer again.

Jun 6, 2008 12:29 pm

Hello DIB:

Within the past year Consumer Reports added real pet hair [cats] to its vacuum tests as well as measuring the amount of hair at start and in the bag and/or dirt bin at finish.  Both are recent tests added by CR within the last year.  As suspected, dyson fared the same with real pet hair as kapoc. 

Kapoc is a good substitute for pet hair and around the industry for years and years.  Not everyone in the vacuum industry [read indy-s] have access to real pet hair.  Kapoc is readily available.  CR made arrangements to obtain real pet hair from an animal facility close by the CU testing place.  It is continuing the practice.  Excellent thinking on CR's part.

Carmine D.

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Hardsell,

Consumer Reports uses a 9 to 1 mix of silica sand to talc for testing.  I see Baking Soda close in nature to talc (and dust) and certainly legitimate.  I do not have a Kapok producing tree in my front yard, do you?  I bet the great majority of the world’s population does not either.  Kapok is a trick of the trade and I have lots to say of its use/abuse by dealers, later.        DIB

 

CarmineD wrote:

They could also be matched equally using baking soda.  Of coures all but Dyson are afraid of the baking soda test.

I recently read a consumer review saying that Oreck would not honor the warranty on their vacuum because Capture (or similar product) clogged it.

Really HS.  That remind me of a post here posted by one of our regulars about a brand new dyson that burned out during the customer return period.  The retailer refused to accept it for a customer credit because the user didn't clean the filters.  Said it voided the warranty and the return policy.  A rep here from dyson called it a lemon!!

I have never heard of an ORECK motor burning out during the 30 day free home trial period.  Or an ORECK motor going bad under the 3-5-8-10 year warranty periods.  Never.  If you do, post it here.  It will be a first.  I heard of one case where an ORECK motor went bad after 20 years but came with a 21 year warranty.  ORECK replaced it free: Parts and labor.

See unlike a big box retailer who doesn't stand behind the vacuum products it sells, ALL ORECK buyers/users praise ORECK for honoring its warranties.  My theory is because ORECK sells its vacuums from ORECK owned and operated stores nationwide.  Has for over 45 years. 

Carmine D.