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M00seUK
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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm |
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #410 Jun 18, 2008 7:02 am |
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Carmine, I saw these 2 Targets and 2 different Best Buys keep the DC24 locked up in its packaging for 2 weeks after it was rolled out. Not good for anyone. Of course now they’re unpacked, on display, and discounted too. The folks I know who have money like the cool stuff and they appreciate engineering. - The tired Oreck (for example) simply does not cut it. DIB
Hello DIB:
Big box stores don't discount a vacuum within weeks of launch because it's sales are brisk. Just the opposite. To jump start sales. Dyson picked the big box stores [BEST BUY first] as its primary sales venue. Bad decision? Vacuuming is work. It's not entertainment [especially for the rich who deplore menial labor]. When I'm finished vacuuming daily with my ORECK XL, I don't have to bend over to touch my toes to wrap the cord, like I would with the DC24. For the 30 million plus Americans with back problems [a target market for this lightweight], the bottom cord wrap on the DC24 is a deal breaker. Not to mention the $400 price tag. With dyson, less [vacuum] is more [money]. ORECK got it right over 45 years ago. Dyson with 450 engineers and a task force of 12 swat designers didn't, even with the benefit of a half century of vacuum industry experience. I have no dirt bin to dump after eash use; no pre-motor filters to wash every month; and post motor filters every 5-6 months. Just a paper bag to replace monthly and/or less often and a belt every 6-9 months. Simple, easy care free product. 30 parts all made in the USA. Thanks ORECK! Not cutting it by your modern day standards, works just fine for this old fashioned vacuum guy. And I suspect many others too, who don't buy vacuums from the big box retailers. But instead go to one of 475 owned and operated ORECK stores. When plunking down $500, it's not about a one time vacuum purchase. It's about a business relationship. Dyson missed that concept too! Carmine D.
This message was modified Jun 18, 2008 by CarmineD
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #411 Jun 21, 2008 8:12 pm |
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Mole and Carmine: The Ball line is the signature Dyson line. Why? It has the greater number of usable, Dyson-only/proprietary technologies or abilities. I’m betting this signature (The) Ball on the DC24/25 get more attention (looks, touch, feel and test drive time) than any other upright at big box retailers. Filtering has suffered and I know why, but it stays with me. When you’re right, you’re right. Having an item pop off easily and difficult (for some) to reattach and/or go mising is not good for the consumer, retailer or Dyson. Talk of missing Dyson parts at retailer shelves… the DC16’s batteries and chargers are all gone (a $45 or so part). It is not uncommon to see batteries and chargers on eBay. DIB Carmine D.
DIB:
Thank you for recognizing constructive criticism vice a cheap pot shot. I knew you would sooner or later. Second, I highlighted the pertinent part of your statement. You cite dyson models DC24/25 as a signature ones for dyson. You gloss over the recent pitfalls of their filters with no explanations other than you are not saying. Really? Do you have special knowledge that is proprietary? Or is the reason incriminating? Do you think future dyson buyers, especially of these signature models, are entitled to know why they are paying $500 for a dyson vacuum that requires much more filter attention/maintenance than all its older and discontinued predecessors? Weren't they told up until now by dyson that the filtering technology [with 5127 prototypes] is the quintessential vacuum invention. Worthy of the higher prices. You passed over, as the signature models, all the dysons with the innovative no fuss/no hassle pre-post motor filters. Why? For a ball wheel? For a pivot and steering vacuum? What if I don't want either of those. I want the best filtering dyson has to offer for $500. Why doesn't the DC24/25 have the best filtering dyson has to offer? Carmine D. This message was modified Yesterday by CarmineD
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dusty
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #413 Jun 25, 2008 1:04 am |
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Saw the DYSON DC25 at Bed Bath & Beyond last week, listed at $499 next to the DC17 and DC18. I have to say, I like that particular model the best out of all three DYSON Ball models. It's roughly the same size as the Slim, and uses an identical bin and cyclone assembly. The brushroll appears different from that of the Slim and Absolute, with slightly wider bristles. I very nearly picked one up, but then I remembered if I purchased one from a good friend and DYSON dealer I would not have to pay full retail for it.
One interesting thing I noticed is that along the lines of Best Buy et al, all three machines appeared to have been used by the amount of dirt in the bins unlike the other machines displayed. Other than that, they looked brand new. Small wonder they prefer the DYSONS to deal with that fine commercial dirt over anything else.
-MH
I wish we had this unit in Canada. The DC24 is a good seller but it's not for every application due to it's size. The DC25, assuming it handles the same would easily take the place of the DC18. Hopefully they'll let us have it in the fall when the new models come out. Dusty
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Motorhead
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #414 Jun 25, 2008 2:09 am |
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Hi Dusty,
Interesting the DC25 isn't in Canada, first time I've heard that. I agree with you that the DC24, while a compact yet powerful machine good for apartments, condos, and such, is limited by its bin capacity in most applications. I've also heard rumors about its brushroll not being aggressive enough either, but I inspected one at Target and didn't see (or feel) anything wrong there.
The DC25 to me would be much more practical out of the two; larger bin capacity and full-width nozzle yet still small enough to be considered a lightweight. As I mentioned in my previous post, it's roughly the size of the DC18 Slim, yet the carrying handle is positioned much lower so it is less awkward to lift.
-MH
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #415 Jun 25, 2008 7:35 am |
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I wish we had this unit in Canada. The DC24 is a good seller but it's not for every application due to it's size. The DC25, assuming it handles the same would easily take the place of the DC18. Hopefully they'll let us have it in the fall when the new models come out.
Dusty You can buy as many as you want on E-BAY, at dealer cost also,sometimes less. Are you tired of being suckered by DYSON yet????? MOLE
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #417 Jun 25, 2008 12:47 pm |
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I have no problem with Dyson. Product arrives on time and the company provides us with good co-op and support. Can't ask for more than that.
Dusty
Dusty:
Yes you can ask for more. The above is expected/required by dyson based on the contract that you sign with it. Carmine D.
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dusty
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #418 Jun 25, 2008 3:25 pm |
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Dusty: Yes you can ask for more. The above is expected/required by dyson based on the contract that you sign with it. Carmine D. Let me re-phrase. Dyson does as much and in some cases more than any of our other suppliers. We have no complaints. Dusty
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #419 Jun 25, 2008 4:49 pm |
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Let me re-phrase.
Dusty
Hello Dusty:
Better. I call it wordsmithing. You're very good at it. Like some else I use to know. Carmine D.
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