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DysonInventsBig
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Dyson vacuum & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Original Message Nov 22, 2007 12:23 am |
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #167 Jun 13, 2008 7:58 pm |
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Woa there! I never made comment on the amount of engineers, just that a fresh face with new ideas wouldn't hurt any company. New blood is a good thing.
Dusty
I know Dusty. But the issue is the 512 engineers. It's called over-engineering. Typical of a company owned and operated by an inventor. Terrible business sense. They can't agree on any improvement/change without a committee decision and majority vote. Total grid lock.
The US has 100 Senators and 435 Congress men/women to run our entire country. We have 302,265,496 people. Our national spending is 13 trillion dollars annually. Dyson runs a close second to our government with 512 engineers. Dyson has 1400 employees and less than a billion dollars in annual budget. Does that sound laughable to you? It sure does to me. Hysterical. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #168 Jun 13, 2008 8:02 pm |
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Some cons listed for Oreck: Tends to clog. Doesn't perform well on higher pile carpets, especially if your home has any pets that shed. Small motor. Small fan I understand that the Oreck uses a $25 (or less) motor. You were critical of Dyson for this. Why not tell us about the cheap Oreck motor.
Sounds like the same list of cons for dyson vacuums. Except I can list a few more.
Since we are talking motors, ORECK motors in the Classic, DeLuxe, and Ultra last on average 10 years. The new XL21 motor [more suction and a larger fan] lasts 15-20 years depending on usage. Since the XL21 has a 21 year guarantee, if the motor goes during this time, it's covered for free. And its more energy efficient than the smaller fan ORECK motors. Uses less amps. Innovative motor technology. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #169 Jun 13, 2008 8:09 pm |
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HARDSELL: If dyson didn't fail so often with so many unrelated vacuum ventures that run up its R&D costs, it would have more money to pay for qualified tech reps. Instead, dyson hires house wives for $30,000 a year who know absolutely nothing about vacuums and the vacuum industry. No wonder they don't last. Carmine D.
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Danorob
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #170 Jun 13, 2008 8:59 pm |
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Sounds like the same list of cons for dyson vacuums. Except I can list a few more. Since we are talking motors, ORECK motors in the Classic and DeLuxe last on average 10 years. The new Ultra motor [more suction and a larger fan] lasts 15-20 years depending on usage. Since the Ultra has a 21 year guarantee, if the motor goes during this time, it's covered for free. And its more energy efficient than the smaller fan ORECK motors. Uses less amps. Innovative motor technology. Carmine D. Actually Carmine, the motor's on the uprights are only warrantied for 3, 5, or 8 years depending on the model... Here are the vaious warranties from the Oreck Website... The Oreck XL® Deluxe Vacuum comes with a 5-year, worry-free motor warranty and a full 10-year housing warranty. Oreck will repair or replace, free of charge, to the original purchaser, any part which is found to be defective in material or workmanship within five years of the date of purchase; ten years on housing. This limited warranty applies to normal domestic use. Oreck's limited warranty is valid only if you retain proof of purchase from Oreck or an Oreck Authorized Retail Dealer for this product. * Any commercial use of this product will void this limited warranty. Download a PDF (Portable Document Format) with the full warranty information for the Oreck XL® Deluxe Vacuum. The Oreck XL® Ultra Vacuum comes with an 8-year, worry-free motor warranty and a full 10-year housing warranty. Oreck will repair or replace, free of charge, to the original purchaser, any part which is found to be defective in material or workmanship within eight years of the date of purchase; ten years on housing. This limited warranty applies to normal domestic use. Oreck's limited warranty is valid only if you retain proof of purchase from Oreck or an Oreck Authorized Retail Dealer for this product. Download a PDF (Portable Document Format) with the full warranty information for the Oreck XL® Ultra Vacuum The Oreck XL® Classic Vacuum comes with a 3-year, worry-free motor warranty and a full 10-year housing warranty. Oreck will repair or replace, free of charge, to the original purchaser, any part which is found to be defective in material or workmanship within three years of the date of purchase; ten years on housing. This limited warranty applies to normal domestic use. Oreck's limited warranty is valid only if you retain proof of purchase from Oreck or an Oreck Authorized Retail Dealer for this product. * Any commercial use of this product will void this limited warranty. After I posted the above, I also want to add that Carmine is correct about the 21 year warranty, but this only applies to the The Oreck XL21® Titanium Series Vacuum Cleaner which sells for $749.99... Oddly there is no mention of this vaccum under the section of the website titled "warranty" - but here is the information in the product description: In an economy where most vacuum manufacturers design "throwaway" appliances, guaranteed for a mere six months or one year, we've designed a lightweight, heavy-duty vacuum that protects your investment as it cleans your house. So, all the parts and pieces on the Oreck XL21 (except consumables such as bags and belts) are completely covered for an unprecedented 21 years. This is a vacuum built to standards you'd expect from luxury cars. But which luxury cars are guaranteed for 21 years? Our red-carpet guarantee means you'll get a free yearly 15-point tune up to keep your XL21 looking and running like new, free service and a free loaner vac if you need one. Simply bring your Oreck XL21 in to the Oreck Store nearest you for your FREE tune-ups (a $630 value!), and every year for 21 years, we'll replace the belt, seals and inner bag, clean the roller brush and outer bag, polish the armature, check all electrical connections, and clean and sanitize the interior and exterior of the vacuum. How's that for service?! You'll never worry about maintaining your vac again, and you'll save money knowing that your Oreck XL21 will last for 21 years or more!
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #171 Jun 13, 2008 9:33 pm |
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Hello Danorob: Thanks for the post. My head was quicker than my hands and I was rushing. Dinner was waiting. I was in the process to repost correctly and noted you were ahead of me already. Nice to see people read and take note. Please note on the ORECK thread some time back I posted the motor information and comparisons of the models correctly. The motors on the ORECK-s [XL Classic, Deluxe, and Ultra] are the same save for the XL21 Titanium. The latter has the larger motor, more suction and larger fan with 21 year warranty. Carmine D.
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M00seUK
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #173 Jun 25, 2008 6:39 am |
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The history behind all the Dyson uprights. Here's one Dyson vacuum that I haven't seen before. The first one in this video. VideoHi, which one hadn't you seen before? Incidently, notice the DC01 limited addition 'blue' in the video? A shop local to me has a reconditioned one of these on display at the moment, selling for 50GBP. While I don't collect vacs myself, I think that would be a good price for someone who did?
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #174 Jun 25, 2008 7:34 am |
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Thanks M00seUK: I note the same color schemes as the DC07 Original sold exclusively in WalMart stores for $359 now. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #176 Jun 25, 2008 7:50 am |
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M00seUK: If dyson made the warranty 5 years on the DC07 Original [which has an MSRP of $389] rather than 2 years, it would have sold better in Wal*Mart stores. I've noticed that most WM stores don't have this exclusive on the shelves. Dyson struck out twice with WM on exclusive models: The DC07 All Carpets and the DC07 Original. Carmine D.
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