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DysonInventsBig
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Dyson vacuum & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Original Message Nov 22, 2007 12:23 am |
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #159 Jun 13, 2008 4:15 pm |
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My point was simply that any industry, be it vacuums, appliances, tv's etc, can always use a fresh set of thoughts and it's good to get away from the "this is how we've done it in the past, this is how we'll do it now" mentality.
Dusty 512? Come on, Dusty. That's over engineering. One of the top ten reasons companies fail according to a study performed and conducted among USA fortune 500 business executives.
All of GM with its 8 car divisions has less than 400 scientists and engineers to make all their cars more fuel efficient. MacDonald's hired one top notch chef, brought him to the Hamburger College in Chicago, and in a few months he alone produced the chicken wrap. Paid him a 6 figure salary. A $1.50 menu item. Turned the company's profits around by the end of the year. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #160 Jun 13, 2008 5:31 pm |
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MOLE: I'm not surprised. Mr. Dyson, like DIB, impugns the vacuum pros and minimizes vacuum knowledge and experience. Consequently dyson hires people with impressive credentials who don't know vacuums. Why would engineers and technicians have to know vacuums to make them better? They can get all the experience of 100 years in a few weeks of on-the-job training. Learn by failing. House wives too are eligible. They use vacuums. That makes them very highly qualified to be technical reps and answer client and customer questions. Right? Yeah, right! Carmine D.
The lowly house wife. A self proclaimed pro admitted that it was his wife who convinced him to buy an Oreck. He was so thrilled that he gifted 3.
I wonder why 40 years in the business and he did not know the virtues of the Oreck.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #161 Jun 13, 2008 5:35 pm |
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512? Come on, Dusty. That's over engineering. One of the top ten reasons companies fail according to a study performed and conducted among USA fortune 500 business executives. All of GM with its 8 car divisions has less than 400 scientists and engineers to make all their cars more fuel efficient. MacDonald's hired one top notch chef, brought him to the Hamburger College in Chicago, and in a few months he alone produced the chicken wrap. Paid him a 6 figure salary. A $1.50 menu item. Turned the company's profits around by the end of the year. Carmine D. GM prefers to pay exorbitant amounts to its executives, therefore no moola left to hire engineers.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #162 Jun 13, 2008 6:27 pm |
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HARDSELL: I answer and explain the same old questions and comments from you over and over. My dear Wife is a genius. That's why she married me! Carmine D.
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dusty
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #163 Jun 13, 2008 6:33 pm |
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The shortcomings with the Convertible and Elite are no tools on board and poor attachment suction. Today's performers have them beat there. So they worked like an Oreck? :-) Dusty
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #164 Jun 13, 2008 6:37 pm |
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So they worked like an Oreck? :-) Absolutely. But one major difference: The weight. The ORECK when launched was 1/3 the weight off the HOOVER Convertibles on the market. And unlike the Convertibles, which were made to work with attachments, tho they never performed well, ORECK was always a rug and floor cleaner. A classic.
Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #165 Jun 13, 2008 6:43 pm |
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Absolutely. But one major difference: The weight. The ORECK when launched was 1/3 the weight off the HOOVER Convertibles on the market. And unlike the Convertibles, which were made to work with attachments, tho they never performed well, ORECK was always a rug and floor cleaner. A classic. Carmine D. Some cons listed for Oreck: Tends to clog. Doesn't perform well on higher pile carpets, especially if your home has any pets that shed. Small motor. Small fan I understand that the Oreck uses a $25 (or less) motor. You were critical of Dyson for this. Why not tell us about the cheap Oreck motor.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #167 Jun 13, 2008 7:58 pm |
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Woa there! I never made comment on the amount of engineers, just that a fresh face with new ideas wouldn't hurt any company. New blood is a good thing.
Dusty
I know Dusty. But the issue is the 512 engineers. It's called over-engineering. Typical of a company owned and operated by an inventor. Terrible business sense. They can't agree on any improvement/change without a committee decision and majority vote. Total grid lock.
The US has 100 Senators and 435 Congress men/women to run our entire country. We have 302,265,496 people. Our national spending is 13 trillion dollars annually. Dyson runs a close second to our government with 512 engineers. Dyson has 1400 employees and less than a billion dollars in annual budget. Does that sound laughable to you? It sure does to me. Hysterical. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson & other vacuum related videos & photos...
Reply #168 Jun 13, 2008 8:02 pm |
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Some cons listed for Oreck: Tends to clog. Doesn't perform well on higher pile carpets, especially if your home has any pets that shed. Small motor. Small fan I understand that the Oreck uses a $25 (or less) motor. You were critical of Dyson for this. Why not tell us about the cheap Oreck motor.
Sounds like the same list of cons for dyson vacuums. Except I can list a few more.
Since we are talking motors, ORECK motors in the Classic, DeLuxe, and Ultra last on average 10 years. The new XL21 motor [more suction and a larger fan] lasts 15-20 years depending on usage. Since the XL21 has a 21 year guarantee, if the motor goes during this time, it's covered for free. And its more energy efficient than the smaller fan ORECK motors. Uses less amps. Innovative motor technology. Carmine D.
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