Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Is it fair to compare a $100 bagless [HOOVER Fold-away] with a $500 plus dyson for strengths and weaknesses?  No, not really.  Compare dyson with other $500 plus indy-vacuum store brands.  What do you decide to sell?

Dusty:

Here's where the argument for dyson appeal breaks down.  We know the myths and truths about dysons now.  Fair to middle of the road performer.  Filters clog.  Same filter maintenance required as the less expensive brands.  But the highest big box store vacuum prices.  Compare dyson bagless to other big box store bagless.  Why does dyson deserve the highest prices?  No longer can the dyson fans point to the filter free cares of dyson as the reason.  Can't argue the dyson 5 year warranty.  Other big box store brands have the same.  Now according to DIB, its the ball technology.  The ball that failed with the DC15.  I don't buy that argument.  Neither do others.  The dyson case for high prices falls apart there.  Be they at the big box stores and/or the indy-s. 

MOLE's right.  The dyson gig is up.  As ACERONE posted, most of the small dyson business dealers, like himself, are long ago out of business.  The big dyson dealers will follow.  The dyson honeymoon in the US is over.

Carmine D. 

If you compare dyson models to other big box store [bagged] brands, I would agree with you in part on the hassle factor for bagged vacuums.  But as we know from HARDSELL, there are a plethora of bagless brands in the big box stores too that compete with dyson and are much less expensive.  All the bagless advantages that you cite for dyson apply to these brands too.  No longer can dyson perpetuate the myth that its filters don't clog and require minimal maintenance.  This false claim allowed dyson to command the highest bagless vacuum prices in the big box stores.  No more!  Like MOLE says: The gig is over.

Compare the dyson vacuums with independent vacuum store brands [all of which are probably bagged].  Why?  Because the dyson high prices compete with these vacuum brands.  Bagged vacuum users who purchase the indy store brand vacuums buy their bags at those stores.  Probably once a year.  Not a big deal and effort.  If vacuum shoppers journey to the indy-s to purchase a quality vacuum, they will surely go back there without hesitation for the correct bags. 

Carmine D.

I there are a plethora of bagless brands in the big box stores too that compete with dyson and are much less expensive.  All the bagless advantages that you cite for dyson apply to these brands too. 

Compare the dyson vacuums with independent vacuum store brands [all of which are probably bagged].  Why?  Because the dyson high prices compete with these vacuum brands.  Bagged vacuum users who purchase the indy store brand vacuums buy their bags at those stores.  Probably once a year.  Not a big deal and effort.  If vacuum shoppers journey to the indy-s to purchase a quality vacuum, they will surely go back there without hesitation for the correct bags. 

Carmine D.

 WRT customers doing their own shopping and deciding on dyson, I think they did in the past because of the overstated claim by sales persons that dysons didn't clog and the filters were virtually maintenance free.  Both myths.  Now widely known in the industry to be false. 

You said it all with the words I highlighted.  SEBO over dyson any day for a vacuum pro.  I agree.  Substitute any other indy-store vacuum brand for SEBO comparable in price to dysons.  What would you chose as better and sell to customers?

WRT vacuum customers doing their own shopping and deciding on dyson, they did in the past because of the overstated claims by sales persons that dysons didn't clog and the filters were virtually maintenance free.  Both are myths.  Now these claims are widely known in the industry as false.  Vacuum shoppers will shy away from dyson in the future in part due to the mediocre performance, in part the increased filter maintenance required for warranty, and most especially the high dyson prices.

With the cost of gas so high and going up, you have a point on shoppers and bags.  They may look elsewhere than the store of vacuum purchase.  They will probably go on-line and buy the bags to avoid gas and time. 

Carmine D.

I highlighted the relevant words in your post.  People that owned dysons know because they experienced the clogging filters and loss in suction.  First time dyson bagless buyers probably don't but they will be burdened with filter maintenance.  You and I know that most vacuum users won't do it.  You provided an excellent post on the overworked housewives leaving the bag and belt changes to their husbands when they get home from work.  Think those women will dump dirt bins let alone wash dyson filters monthly and quarterly?  No, probably not.  Viola, same problem with dyson as not changing an overfill bag.

$200 profit on a $500 retail vacuum.  Wow!  That's a huge mark up.  No wonder sales people exaggerated claims about dyson.  Profit motive!  I would sell dysons too but only if the customer insisted on dyson.  I would not recommend over any of the indy-store vacuum brands.  Bagless, dyson included, is a nightmare for most vacuum customers after they use.  Lots of hassles and high maintenance [dumping the bin, cleaning and replacing filters, and health hazards of dumping the dirt bin indoors].  Like Rainbows which top the list for price and pampering.

Carmine D.