Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

Hello,

My understanding of getting an extension - only if there was some sort of delay in the obtaining/getting approval for a patent and mostly drug related patents.  And I think it is no longer than 5 years at most.

I do not know the answer for sure.  My guess is no, society comes first and inventors come second.  Q:  Can an inventor prevent society from *benefiting from a widget if the original inventor keeps tweaking a product and locking up (monopolizing) the entire widget for an additional 20 year patent period.  My guess is no.  I'm sure James would of loved to have been able to tweak his dual cyclone and extend the patent life vesus competing against his own work in the market place.        DIB

*After a patent expires others can make for sale said widget and society “benefits”.

Hello DIB:

With drugs the period is 3-10 years after the drug is publicly marketed.  More time with extensions if the maker claims the drug is tweaked.  Wonderful case currently being heard.  The drug is TRICOR.  The maker is trying to keep generics from market after patent expiration dates by arguing it's changed the drug along the way.  Competitors have taken the maker to court.  I predict the competition will win.  TRICOR's maker will bite the dust.

Carmine D.

Hello TOM:

Sort of like Air Way!  Is that brand vacuum still around and in business like ORECK and KIRBY?  What ever happened?  Who knows?  Who cares?   Topic unworthy. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

That’s just it!  If society benefits, patent extensions for life saving or bettering drugs are given, but I do not believe it is the same for non-drug patents.

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Can you link me 1 or 2 good articles that talk/follow this Tricor story?  Thanks.        DIB

The 07 and 14 do not have the same suction power.

I already did the kapock test.  Remember you brought this up when I recommended baking soda as a test.  BTW the Oreck still will not pass the baking soda test.

Hello HARDSELL:

If I recall, catlady said the ORECK did not perform as good as the Miele.  My sense is the belt in the ORECK model [probably display/demo] needed replacing.  Belts must be replaced even if the vacuum is not used.

If my new vacuum budget was $600 and in the market for a full size, I'd opt for the Miele too over the ORECK.  Remember for $600, I bought 4 ORECK XL Classics and all the recipients rave over them!

Carmine D.

Hello HARDSELL:

The difference in air watts between the two models [DC07/14] is so neglibible, it's insignificant.  In fact all the dyson models since have significantly less air watts than the DC07.  The improvement to allow dyson to skimp on the air watts after the DC07 and achieve better pick up is the improved brush roll design and function.  That's the reason these 2 models are getting scrubbed.   Only took Mr. Dyson and his 500 engineers [the innovative crew] 5 years to figure it out and make the necessary brush roll changes. 

Carmine D.

DIB:

Society doesn't benefit by the drug patent holder claiming exclusive ad infinitum usage and charging high prices.  Society benefits when other drug makers offer generics at less cost.  Just as consumers don't benefit from $500 bagless dysons when $100-$200 bagless Dirt Devils, HOOVER-s, BISSELL-s etc perform as well. 

The Wall Street Journal has the best news coverage of the TRICOR drug case.  I'm a reader but not an on-line subscriber.  Sorry.   BTW, the WSJ appears to be on the side of the generics against TRICOR.  IMHO

Carmine D.

HARDSELL:

Kapoc is an industry standard test for carpet cleaning and has been for years.  Baking soda on floors is not.  You got this perverted cockeyed notion from Tom Gasko, who doesn't know anything about ORECK-s.  If my ORECK devours pounds of sand monthly from my outdoors, brought in by the grands and the dogs, which is considerably harder to vacuum up, baking soda is a do nothing no contest.

If it's not a Rainbow, Air Way or dyson [he's sold all of them at one time or another always claiming each as the best], Tom impugns it.  That's his standard Forum mantra for years on all things related to vacuums.

BTW, while kapoc is made to simulate real life home carpet lint debris, like pet hair, rug nap and cotton that has a tendency to cling to rugs, baking soda does not occur naturally in the home environment.  Except perhaps yours and Tom Gasko.

Carmine D.