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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

HARDSELL:

Your sense is non-sense.  Just like your bogus baking soda tests.  ORECK devours everything on the floors including baking soda if it were there.  And remarkably for its lightweight and size, in less time, with less effort, and using less electrical energy than your full sized, overpriced [by your own admission] underperforming bagless piece of bootleg bojack nothing excuse for a vacuum. 

In a few months, the big box stores will relegate them to discountinued and clearance aisles where they belong.  To make room for real vacuum cleaners that are worthy of being called by the name and capable of being sold.  And when they do, I hope you are still posting here, so I can direct you to the stores.  Then you can tell us how cheaply you bought the best Chinaville slave labor made vacuum that you can't live without.  Except you always have.  Might even be able to pay cash without selling your new set of golf clubs and lawnmower.  BTW, is that a bagged or bagless lawnmower?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Put your money where your mouth is.  When you prove that the Oreck will hold 6 qts of baking soda report back.  Otherwise stop all the BS.

Carmine, I have spent more than you ever made.  I can afford to pay more (in cash) than $150 like you paid for the Oreck.  Tell us what country your TV was made in.

The mower is both.  Not sure you understand that. I only mulch the lawn.  You know I do not like those filthy bags.

HARDSELL:

It seems I constantly have to educate you.  When will you ever learn?  Read carefully!

It's not how much you make that's important.  it's how much you spend. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

You should learn that it is not what you read but what you comprehend.  You either have a problem with comprehension or you are an habitual liar.  I suspedt both.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

As a fan of William Shakespeare, I agree with you.  Many, like you, read him.  Few, like me, comprehend him. 

Neither a lender nor a borrower be!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Sorry HARDSELL:

Not homes.  But, in the independent vacuum stores.  Whenever a customer asks about how good/bad a dyson is, out comes the kapoc.  Toss some on the rug and ask the potential dyson customer to pick it up with a dyson DC07/14.  The result nixes the dyson sale and interest for good. 

Then the store owner/operator does the kapoc test with his/her vacuum[s] of choice.  Like the ORECK.  The new vacuum sale is made. 

Dyson and the kapoc test have revolutionized and reinvigorated the sales of all non-dyson vacuums in the independent vacuum stores.  I'm told its the best demo test to nix a dyson and sell another brand than any other demo in the vacuum industry.    

Carmine D.

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Carmine,

As you and Mole have pointed out in past posts that dishonesty was a big part of vacuum selling history and today we should assume it is no longer rampant (wink, wink).  We should put full weight in these dealers who use James’ weakest brush roll arrangement when doing a so-called “test” (wink) using Kapok.  I sleep better knowing of all the “Honest Abe’s” out there that are on the side of consumers (wink).        DIB

DIB:

The DC07 and DC14 are dyson's results after 5174 vacuum prototypes and 10 plus years of vacuum production and sales in the UK.  Sad but true.  These are the models that launched dyson in the USA, and most big box USA stores call the DC07 the best dyson seller they ever had.

At least one ardent dyson fan and admirer here still believes and posts that the DC07 WITH THE MOST airwatts of all the dysons is the best dyson of all.  Who's going to break the news to him that dyson discontinued it? 

Only took dyson 4 years to scrub the brushbar and get an industry brush roll.  In large part because it takes a DC07 and DC14 at least 9-10 passes forward and back to pick up the same amount of kapoc that all big box store upright vacuums on the market pick up in 2-3. 

Now, that's the truth with no winks and tongue in cheek. 

Now please tell me, what dyson model would you claim to be the signature dyson.  The greater dyson as some call it? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Not a bad answer.  I expected more of a defense of dealers and their testing-behavior.        DIB

P.S.  It was 5127 prototypes to get to the Dual Cyclone and most (I think) were created in his backyard carriage house.  The DC07 multi arrangement came later.

DIB:

What's an error/mistake of less than 1 percent between friends? 5127, 5174: That's a diff of 47, less than one percent.  Close enough.  Maybe Mr. D should have worked a little bit longer to get the brush roll right?

The kapoc test was obsolete in the vacuum industry for many years.  Why?  After 100 years of vacuum industry experience most uprights and canns with power heads, including the disposables sold in the big box stores, adopted industry standard brush rolls that performed well on all rugs and carpets.  Didn't need the test anymore.  It was a moot test.

Then along comes dyson with its glitzy colors, clear bin, and no clog filters that never lose suction.  And what about the suction: Mega suction called airwatts: 270.  One slight problem that all the dyson people missed: A puny brush roll.  Savvy vacuum pros, like MOLE, recognized it right away.  Laughed at the $500 price tag.  You can tell people until you are blue in the face that the dyson brush bar is so puny that it will take more time to do the same rug cleaning job as all the others can do.   They won't understand.  But show them.  And see their reaction.

Out comes the old kapoc that was sitting on the shelves collecting dust for almost 50 years.  And back to the kapoc test.  Any vacuum currently sold today K-O's a dyson DC07 and a DC14 on rugs and carpets.  Even the $50 uprights in the big box stores.  Most especially an ORECK, any model you choose.  The XL 21 Titanium with the more aggressive brush rolls than the XL, DeLuxe and Ultra,  puts a dyson DC07 and 14 to shame on rugs and carpets.

Shame on James Dyson.  Shame on his 450 engineers and his vacuum company.  Should have known better.

Now please tell me what dyson model is the signature model?  The greater dyson?  Second time I asked you.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Ant the loud mouth cowards are afraid to take the baking soda test with their Oreck.  I know you claim this to be bogus.  Once again, how many homes have baking soda vs. kapock?  Give us tghe chicken poop answer again.