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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

Dyson used science and ingenuity to build his filtration.  And ingenuity to build his hose/wand for uprights and many other elements too.  That are now copied by the richest and biggest manufacturers.  Compared to the Oreck, which most of this appliance could be made by going to the plumbing store and using used vac parts.  Where is the proprietary break-thru science on the Oreck?  There is none.  And when I walk the isles of the biggest American retailers or view the biggest retailers online and globally, one will see Sir James Dyson’s and his fellow inventors (his engineers) handiwork on competing manufacturers vacuums, not so with Oreck.

Mole, perhaps if all manufacturers who have reversed engineered Dyson’s science, ingenuity and/or popularizing components (HEPA, modular filtration unit, bottom drop door, clear bin, fine dust collector, etc.) - if these manufacturers paid the guy a royalty on each unit sold maybe Dyson would not be forced to spend up to $50m annually educating the public of his work.  He cannot stand back and watch the leaches take the market he created. 

Mole, not sure of your complaints of the Dyson pricing...  the high retail price of many Euro vacuums provide nice margins that dealers enjoy.  By comparison, Dyson's do not have (often times) anywhere near the profit margins as many of the Euro vacuums.  Euro vac makers save money on advertising only to pass on higher margins to dealers.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB,

As everyone knows I have always been pro Dyson.  I will repeat that I feel it is priced too high.  I also think there are lesser vacs that are way overpriced.  If an Oreck is worth $800 the Dyson is worth $2000. I think the Dyson is worth as much as Miele, Kirby and other over priced brands.  Again they are all over priced.

I could say that if JD gave up on his other projects he could reduce the price of his vacuum.  On the other hand he does invest his money to help others whereas the other brands simply pocket the profits.

So what if JD goes busted.  Look at how he gave others a job and contributed to the economy.  At least he contributed.  What has Oreck offered?  Maybe winimum wage and a paid holiday for its employees while the family lives in luxury.  What have the other brands given in return?

Most any vac costing over $200 is over priced IMHO.

Hello MOLE:

ORECK ramped it up with the 30 day free in home trial with no obligation and giveaways.  Plus, with the vacuum comes a network of of 500 ORECK Clean Home Centers.   Both are smart business moves that have done well for Dave and passed the test of time.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello Big Guy:

The flaw in your logic is that this statement is not a hypothetical for ORECK.  ORECK actually sells for $735/$750 all the time.  Has for years.  And guess what:  Consumer Reports rates this $750 model in the top 10 uprights.  Contrarily, how many of your fave brand are bought/sold for $2000?  NONE [with and without giveaways]! 

A product my friend is worth whatever willing buyers and sellers agree in a bona fide business transaction.  If ORECK buyers/users are happy with their $750 ORECK purchases, they keep them.  If not, they do what you did: Return them at no cost and expense.  Simple, easy and it works.  Just like the ORECK-s.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Were they?  Certainly, there are newer and more expensive alternatives.  But replaced?  With better and more productive items, no less?  Who said, you said!  Beauty my friend is in the eyes of the beholder.   My Wife and I saw a driver in a black model T Ford on the strip in Vegas this past weekend.  He and it were the envy of everyone in sight.  Everyone watched him/and the Model T pass.

People haven't stopped walking, using public transportation, buying/using candles, and/or kerosene.  Not in over 100 years.  Not ever.

Classics never die.   They live, are loved and are sought after forever.  You don't change the classics.  You embrace them.  They make us proud.  At least most of us!  There are always exceptions. 

Carmine D. 

HARDSELL wrote:

You have to ask?  Okay, here it is again.

The first and original 9 pound lightweight upright vacuum made in the USA and the choice of discerning hotels, motels, and households for over 45 years!  With a free no obligation 30 day in home trial use period and a network of 500 Clean Home Centers nationwide for service, parts and support.  If not completely satisfied, return at no expense and keep the giveaways. 

Carmine D.

Hi Carmine, D.I.B., H.S.

Since where we are doing a little soul searching,

QUESTION, for the forum members to answer,dealers ,non dealers , wholesalers,distributors, vac people non vac people.repair guys and sales people,industry bean counters ETC.

If a customer comes into your place of business and wants an upright and has 700+ to spend on a cleaner,
You sell and stock MIELE, RICCAR,SEBO,DYSON, LINDHAUS,SIMPLICITY, HOOVER, SANITAIRE,ORECK
Would you sell them the vacuum that has the most profit in it or the right one that they need?[and feel a lot better with yourself] knowing you did RIGHT BY THE CUSTOMER,

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

Selling price and value are not always the same.  Notice your second paragraph.  It is what it can be sold for and not what it is worth.  Unfortunately CR doesn't vacuum my home so their opinon is useless to me.  Why did you not mention Oreck before Hoover was swept away.  Your rear must still ache from the kicking that Dyson gave you.

Trying to twist again I see.  Dyson is no different than Oreck as long as the customer is happy.  They are as easily returned after 30 days as the Oreck.

Regardless of brand most vacuums are over priced. 

CarmineD wrote:

People haven't stopped walking, using public transportation, buying/using candles, and/or kerosene.  Not in over 100 years.  Not ever.

Gotta admit that all the above are the minority.  Maybe you should add condoms to your list.

Classics never die.   They live, are loved and are sought after forever.  You don't change the classics.  You embrace them.  They  make us proud.  At least most of us!  There are always exceptions. 

Tell the modern farmer about how much more productive an old MM of A C farm tractor is than his modern one.  He will enjoy your ignorance and get a good laugh.  Yes,  classics are great for memories, nothing else.

Carmine D. 

mole wrote:

MOLE,

You know that I have never been in the business.  Carmine would sell like and ice cream vendor.  The flavor of the day would be what replaced the previous failure that he promoted.