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DysonInventsBig


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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message   May 29, 2008 12:41 pm

ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)



  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008


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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #21   Jun 1, 2008 4:41 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
This leads me to believe that you think these are the two best vacuums on the market.


HARDSELL:

Best is a subjective description that depends largely on the user[s].  From my personal and professional experience, knowledge and skill, I would objectively rank these two brands as good to excellent performers for all barefloor and rug cleaning requirements in the USA.

Carmine D.  

HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #22   Jun 1, 2008 5:04 pm
CarmineD wrote:
HARDSELL:

Best is a subjective description that depends largely on the user[s].  From my personal and professional experience, knowledge and skill, I would objectively rank these two brands as good to excellent performers for all barefloor and rug cleaning requirements in the USA.

Carmine D.  



These are your words:

'ORECK is the best in its class.  HOOVER the best in its class'

Are you now admitting that you exagerated the truth?

DC18


Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user

Joined: Jul 25, 2007
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #23   Jun 2, 2008 6:45 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello DC18:

Your welcome.  And now on to the other questions. 

I have not viewed the youtube video.  My sense is the model tested is the Classic, which is the least expensive of the ORECKS, and the one most discussed here by me.  I own and use the XL Classic.   My sense too is due to the paper bags that come standard in this model: The CC.  The other models: The Deluxe, Ultra, and XL 21 all filter better than the XL.  Tho with my dog and my dear Wife's allergy and sinus conditions, the XL with the CC bags bode well for her here in Las Vegas.

Price?  Here in the US, where the ORECKS are made, there are 4 models: The XL Classic for $299 with the giveaways.  This is the model that was recently on sale for Memorial Day for $199 without the giveaways.  The Deluxe for $399.  The Ultra for $549 and the XL 21 for $749.  ORECK added some new models recently in the $499.  More on those later.  The first 3 models all share the same motor and brushroll.  Only the XL has a more powerful motor.  And the XL has a brush roll more suited for easy pet hair removal.  Of course there are other features that account for the price differentials.  2 speeds on the Ulta and XL 21.  Warranty periods are different.  Free tune ups, etc.  The Deluxe and Ultra are 10 years for warranty.  The XL 21 has 21 years.  The latter comes to $35 a year for a vacuum that lasts for 21 years with free parts and labor replacement all during the period.  This is the most expensive.  Is it worth the $740.  Not if that's beyond your vacuum budget.  Then the Deluxe is probably the better buy.  If it isn't beyond your budget it's probably a good deal for you. 

I can't make the pound conversion, but I suspect the high prices overseas is due to shipping costs and the higher costs of oil to get the ORECK vacuums to market there.  Last year this time oil was $60 a barrel.  Now its $130 a barrel. 

Carmine D.


Thanks Carmine  D for answering my other questions.

DC18

CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #24   Jun 2, 2008 7:44 am
HARDSELL wrote:

These are your words:

'ORECK is the best in its class.  HOOVER the best in its class'

Are you now admitting that you exagerated the truth?



Hello HARDSELL:

What's true for me with respect to the ORECK and HOOVER usage in my home for my cleaning needs and requirements, may not be true for you.  [That sounds very much like something you posted].

Truth, like best, when applied to peoples' vacuum performance, is as much subjective as objective.  That's the reason for this site.  For people to express their opinions about vacuum products and performance.  If it were based all on truth, there would be no need for discussion/review pages. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #25   Jun 2, 2008 8:33 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HARDSELL:

What's true for me with respect to the ORECK and HOOVER usage in my home for my cleaning needs and requirements, may not be true for you.  [That sounds very much like something you posted].

Truth, like best, when applied to peoples' vacuum performance, is as much subjective as objective.  That's the reason for this site.  For people to express their opinions about vacuum products and performance.  If it were based all on truth, there would be no need for discussion/review pages. 

Carmine D.


For once you told the truth.  Only afte ryou were caught up in the CARMINE SHUFFLE.

You dance around likea man with diarrhea, no money and trying to get in a pay toilet.

CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #26   Jun 2, 2008 8:34 am
Hello HARDSELL:

I'm learning from you.  Thanks

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #27   Jun 2, 2008 5:02 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello HARDSELL:

I'm learning from you.  Thanks

Carmine D.



Are you sure that you are well?
CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #28   Jun 2, 2008 5:29 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
Are you sure that you are well?

Excellent just like my 14 month old ORECK XL Classic.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #29   Jun 2, 2008 8:49 pm
Just wrote:
DIB,

I can't answer for Dave, but I am going to imagine his market idea is much like Kirby.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.   Why does he have to invent or innovate, when he has the market that everyone else is wanting to get into. 

Stop by a Oreck Clean Home Center, I guarantee you will be treated well. 

Just,

Dave can make his vacuum work or look any way he wants, but for me, 30 years and no major face lift/s make’s it a tired looking product.  I understand his lightweight-ness strategies, and that’s fine, but until his vacuums win pick-up ratings, there is room for improvement.

.

Why does he have to innovate?  He doesn't.  Does Dave have all of life’s mechanical cleaning problems solved in his products?  Dyson came from nowhere and has shown there’s plenty to innovate and plenty of money to be made.

.

I do believe there are a great many good Oreck dealers out there too.         DIB

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Motorhead


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #30   Jun 3, 2008 1:06 am
Just wrote:
DIB,

I can't answer for Dave, but I am going to imagine his market idea is much like Kirby.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.   Why does he have to invent or innovate, when he has the market that everyone else is wanting to get into. 

Stop by a Oreck Clean Home Center, I guarantee you will be treated well. 


Hi Just,

Not to derail from the original Oreck-related discussion but since you mentioned Kirby I must also point out that they are another manufacturer with the same problem, unwillingness to update and improve the design.  In many ways we could say the Kirby is the polar opposite of the Oreck; the Kirby a good amount of power and does an impressive job of cleaning (especially with the Micron Magic cloth bags), but is heavy and awkward to carry.  There has to be a way to reduce the weight and overall bulk without cheapening the cleaner; Royal has used durable aluminum bodies for years and they have always been considerably lighter than that of a Kirby, even before TechDrive was introduced.  Oreck is indeed a very lightweight machine, however, it is incapable of anything more than surface cleaning as we all know.  Ironically, both *share* some limitations as well, namely a direct air path through the fan and a belt that has to be replaced periodically (although I will admit that the Kirby's belt is a breeze to change for those who know what they are doing so that is a non-issue for the most part).

Is there anything wrong with a theoretically tried-and-true design?  No, except for the fact that times change and innovative "new" designs are brought out, eventually superseding the old design(s) in either convenience, performance, durability, longevity, or all of what I just mentioned.  

I will be adding to this thread and responding to others later when I get a chance to read through the rest. 

-MH

By the way, I have stopped into Oreck stores before and I will attest to the fact that they *are* very friendly and courteous. 
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