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DysonInventsBig


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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message   May 29, 2008 12:41 pm

ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)



  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008


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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #111   Jun 20, 2008 12:39 am
FROM AN ORECK DEALER

Sorry to tell you the Oreck vacuum is the weakest vacuum I sell. Hard to put a 8 pound motor in a 8 pound vacuum. The Oreck has around 17 inches in water lift, which is how much water it can lift in a one inch tube at sea level. Most vacuums have 60 to 120+. A push carpet sweeper can take things off the top of the carpet and it has no power. The Oreck has just enough air flow to put things in the bag. The bag is dust free. To bad the swivel elbow at the fan leeks dust back into the room. I do not care what people buy as long as they know what they get. Who do you think pays for millions of dollar advertising. Yes you. Remember the original derivation of HEPA represented "High Efficiency Particulate Arresting" filter. The term "Particulate Air" conveys no meaning. So your window screens can be a hepa type filter it can stop any thing the size of your finger 100%. Look for the microns of filtrations of the bags. Suction is a made up word. Suction is the creation of a partial vacuumor

FROM  CONSUMERS

# 1

I have both an Oreck XL and a Dyson DC14 Animal. The Oreck has a bag and bags leak out when the vacuum is on. A lot of dust and fine particles can be released from the Oreck while you are using it.

Although it can lift a bowling ball due to the pressure/area trick it is not a strong vacuum. The Oreck leaves a lot of dirt behind and the roller brush is a liability. The Dyson wins the suction contest hands down particularly on bare floors because it travels low and forms a seal with the floor.

The first time I used the Dyson, I had a grinding sound coming from the vacuum in the carpet setting. I called Dyson on a Sunday morning and the service people walked me through the problem that I could fix myself. About 10 minutes after I called Dyson my problem was fixed over the phone.

There is one big drawback to a Dyson. When you first get it and use it you will be dumping the canister several times during the course of your cleaning because the Dyson is picking up so much dirt.

We have a dog and keep his hair cut short because he has a tendency to shed. We had a hair problem in the house and bag vacuums could not handle it. The Dyson not only removes the dog hair but everything else around the vacuum. It makes a suction circle which picks up everything in the vicinity of the vacuum, allowing for a better cleaning job.

The Dyson DC14 is the best vacuum cleaner we ever bought. Despite its price it is well worth every cent.

DysonInventsBig


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #112   Jun 20, 2008 6:20 am
dusty wrote:
While I don't doubt you love your Oreck I think to say that ALL Oreck customers praise Oreck for honoring warranties is a bit of a stretch.  A quick search on the net finds not everyone quite as pleased as yourself.

http://www.rateitall.com/i-6320-oreck-xl-series-upright.aspx

I am curious to know your thoughts on the Oreck Air Cleaner, something that many consider one of the worst products on the market yet it is still pushed heavily by Oreck and its stores.

Dusty

May be of interest…
Hunters Senior Vice President of Sales – Art Massey (formerly Hunter’s vice president of marketing and product development) 
demoed an air purifier on HSN back in February, 2008.  During the demonstration he said, “I coined this phrase here on HSN 
about 8 years ago folks, and this is the truth…  But you hear the other guy (Oreck) say it and he stole it from me and that’s a fact!” 
 “If you’re going to clean the air then you have to move the air.”




CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #113   Jun 20, 2008 6:23 am
HARDSELL wrote:

The Dyson DC14 is the best vacuum cleaner we ever bought. Despite its price it is well worth every cent.



HARDSELL:

The last statement you excerpted and I quoted is the most relavant.  Why?  Was this the poster and statement that resulted in you selling the DC07 and buying the DC14?  What did you do after buying the DC14?  Return it because you didn't like it.  The poster is claiming that the dyson you bought and returned because you were dissatisfied with it, is the best and worth the money.  That contradicts your actions.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #114   Jun 20, 2008 6:30 am
Dusty:

Obviously, no product pleases everyone.  People being people are all different.  ORECK is no exception.  As are ORECK buyers and users.  But a product that has a 45 year rep and respected standing in the industry with a nationwide network of stores totalling 475 is well on the way to trying.

Even HOOVER, during its glory days of having the majority vacuum market share year after year, had many detractors: They were called Lux, Kirby, Air Way, Filter Queen, EUREKA, and ORECK buyers and users.  And I could mention others.

Air purifiers are not on my agenda.  At least not yet. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #115   Jun 20, 2008 7:09 am
CarmineD wrote:
HARDSELL:

The last statement you excerpted and I quoted is the most relavant.  Why?  You went to great lengths to find a few posts that trashed ORECK and praised dyson.  I could do the same with any vacuum brands.  People being people, they all have different likes and dislikes. 

The last statement of your excerpt is key.  Why?  The dyson poster is claiming that the dyson you bought and returned because you were dissatisfied with it, is the best and worth the money.  That contradicts your actions.

Carmine D.



Carmine,

You are partially correct.  A search will reveal both satisfied and unsatisfied customers with all brands.  I coukd have excerpted more than a few posts reporting poor performance from Orecks.

I did not have to go to great lengths to find bad reviews about Oreck.  In fact there are more positive reviews.  The same applies to Dyson.  I agree that preferences vary.  My point is that Oreck users have problems that you deny as existing.  In my research I have found many more incidents of Orecks clogging than Dyson.  No need for you to rehash the Dyson filter clogging.  If a filter does not clog where does the dust go?  Since all vacuums that you favor are know for spewing dust maybe you can answer that.  Burned out belts are a major problem for Oreck. 

It is very possible that the DC 14 was the best vacuum that the poster ever owned since he never owned a DC 07.  That person did claim the Dyson was better than the Oreck.  I owned both and share that opinion.  Where is the contradiction?    BTW,  I never claimed the DC 14 to be a poor performer.  I just prefer the 07.  I also never claimed that my current vacuums are better than Dyson.  You have stated that the Oreck is better than your Hoovers.

This site alone has 5 persons giving 5 stars to Dyson and one giving 4 stars.  None of them bashed another brand.  On the other hand you are the only one to post on an Oreck and you (as usual) only reported so that you could trash Dyson in the same review.  Since you find the Oreck to be superior to Hoover why did you fail to mention that.  All who read your posts are aware of your vehement dislike for Dyson and likely place little or no credence in your statements. 

CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #116   Jun 20, 2008 7:12 am
HS:

I'd like to respond to you but it looks like this thread is heading off the screen.

Time to let it go else as Lucky1 says it will suffer the same ignominious end as the former.

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #117   Jun 20, 2008 7:15 am
CarmineD wrote:
Dusty:

But a product that has a 45 year rep and respected standing in the industry with a nationwide network of stores totalling 475 is well on the way to trying.

Reputations are not always built on truths.  Priests were respected and trusted for hundreds of years.  I think you know why there is now some doubt about the clergy.

Air purifiers are not on my agenda.  At least not yet. 

They likely will not be since there are so many negatives on them.

Carmine D.
CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #118   Jun 20, 2008 7:17 am
HS:
 

45 years and 475 ORECK stores speaks volumes for the company that launched

the lightweight 8 pound vacuum upright.

BTW, correcting you.  HOOVER WT is better than ORECK on rugs.  But ORECK for the

weight is a worthy second.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #119   Jun 20, 2008 8:18 am
 “If you’re going to clean the air then you have to move the air.”

DIB:

This is a statement of fact you quoted.

Statements of fact are not "coined" by authors at the exclusion of use by all others.

If this gentleman believes they are, and you too, then he and you have a skewed sense of perspective.

Certainly one I do not hold.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #120   Jun 20, 2008 9:27 am
Reputations are not always built on truths.  Priests were respected and trusted for hundreds of years.  I think you know why there is now some doubt about the clergy.

HS:

This did not get passed me.  It's irrelevant in the thread here about vacuums.  I will be happy to engage you off line on the topic.  It is near and dear to my heart and my faith.  Jsut let me know.

Carmine D.

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