Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

DIB, thanks for the information.  Will try to tune in this Sunday and at least catch a bit of it.

mole wrote:

Nope, still here.  Just observing more, not really anything worth posting about with the exception of Dyson and related news.  Maybe when there's more activity I'll be inclined to participate more often.  Nothing exciting yet as of now.

CarmineD wrote:
I can't believe anyone could possibly be so blind, but wonders never cease.  Hoover as it was known 20-some-odd years ago is, for all intents and purposes, dead.   I have to admit, though, you are quite brave; I think if you said this in front of any ex-Hoover employees (who were suddenly laid off, and some who did not even receive the mediocre severance packages offered) you would likely be drawn and quartered on the spot.  The only reason that TTI did not drop the Hoover name is that out of all of the brands they swallowed up, it happens to be the most popular out of those brands.  That is completely different from being the most popular big-box machine, Dyson holds that distinction as you very well know

Now what we *can* say is that hopefully TTI will make Hoover a good name again, it does look very promising though only time will tell.  That is one of the few things I agree with you on.  In fact I'll go out on a limb to say the Mach series or Nano Lite is more of a Hoover than the horrid WindTunnel design.  Whether or not you want to believe it, the last of the pre-TTI Hoovers were (and are) complete $#%*; dated and uncompetitive.  It's no surprise Hoover went to China because of this, and I predict that TTI will not be producing these machines for much longer.

CarmineD wrote:
 

-MH

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

For being succesful/highly desired [with a question mark] Kohl's is advertising the DC18 for $399 and soon to be discontinued.  Well below dyson MAP for this model which has an MSRP of $469.

Most other big box retailers dropped the DC18/lowered the prices long ago. 

Why would dyson scrub a 2 year old model [DC18] which is supposedly its most fave sku?  Claiming that the DC24/25 are new and improved versions of the DC18.  And not knowing whether or not the DC24/25 will sell as well as supposedly the DC18 has sold?  Doesn't compute in this old vacuum man's head. 

Now ....that's the makings of a perfect storm.

Carmine D

Carmine:  Heck, I can do better than that, check it out…  BestVacuum.com -  DC18 $365, w/free ship, no tax.  I bought there before, polite owner/partner and fast shipping.

 

A little detective work/reasoning...  Dyson did not replace the heavy $600 plus DC15 with another expensive and heavy version, but instead replaced the mid-weight 1-2ish year old DC18 with a new updated and stronger vacuum that can be advertised with full-sized like power, the DC25.  Dyson has carved out a mid-weight/maneuverable segment all to himself and now is carving out yet another entirely new segment to himself… the lightweight/maneuverable/toss around and small to store away segment - the “mini” segment, the DC24.  The DC24 sits alone with ZERO competitors at all/most Big Box stores, in terms of size, weight, store away, and maneuverability.  I give the guy much credit for manufacturing products that others can’t see or dismiss.  It takes $#%* and Dyson's got em...  Dyson Ball vacuums.

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Motorhead:  You’re welcome.

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Dyson “love” often reminds me of Apple Inc. “love”.

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DIB

DIB:

When COSTCO sold out of the DC18 months ago, they were priced on clearance for $300 each.  I never cared for the DC18 because of it's tipsy tilty top and small bottom.  The worse of all the dysons per CR ratings save the one you mentioned the DC15 ball. 

BTW, got another email for a free DC25.  5 now in 2 weeks and counting.  And it's not not launched yet on HSN.  Gotta love it! 

Up to now, the DC15 is IMHO the worse of the worse of all the dyson vacuums save the very short-lived canister DC11.  Have to see what bodes for the latest and greatest of the dysons the DC24/25.  

Everytime I scroll down this thread and see that pic of the DC25 with the hideous bowling ball sized wheel I cringe and have to close my eyes.  Not to mention getting the pics of the DC25 in my email box every few days.  Oh the pain and agony.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I had to do a double take on the last part.  I initially read it as "a one trick phony."   And I thought perhaps we were finally in mutual agreement.  Until I reread.

I don't believe he's done one good trick, let alone branch out to others. 

BTW, what's the dyson market share [for vacuums] in the UK lately?  Increasing/decreasing?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm afraid I can't offer any insight in to Dyson market share figures or recent trends. To do this, I'd need to either work for a retailer or know someone who does.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

No need to apologize.  I was making a point.  I don't know the exact market share figures either for dyson in the UK.  I know this:  Since 2004 the dyson market share has gone down in the UK.  Whether you use sku's or dollars and any other measurement.  Reports vary.  From a high of 46 percent in 2004 to as low now as 25 percent of the households in the UK buy/use dysons.  That's a big difference.  Agree?   

Mr. Dyson knows the numbers very well, I'm sure.  If they were good and trending upward/even stable year over year, everyone who reads and posts on this Forum would be able to quote them chapter and verse.  Especially from this thread.  You're in the UK, and you have no idea.   Why?  Now I'll  apologize to you in advance for saying: "Not for the reason you state."

Did I make my point? 

Carmine D.

I would say its about run its course,the inventor has had his 15 minuets of fame in the states. I find it very amusing watching these guys gasp for air,but i quess that what happens to companies that are run by personal that no nothing about the vacuum industry. I just might sell these vacuums to people i dont like.

Please stop trying to pass this thing off as a premium quality cleaner,the only thing premium about it is the price, what a piece of plastic junk............

THE GIG IS UP.............

MOLE

Carmine, to put it another way, if I *did* work for a retailer, I would be able to answer your questions with statements such as:-

1) We sell lots of Dyson vacuums every week, it's by far our number one seller by unit / value.

2) We used to sell a lot of Dysons, but these day's more people are buying x brand in large quantities

3) When suggesting Dyson as an option, people often say to me "I'm not buying that make because of x"

What I can mention, is that I was looking after someone's house the other week. Under the stairs was a recently purchased Dyson canister - so based on that sample, so some folks certainly are still buying them.

People still negatively associate Dyson with moving UK jobs to the far east. If the 'D' word comes up in conversation, it almost always leads to this fact. This is the result of a mixture of ignorance to the situation and a printed media who take immense delight in building people up, only to knock them down again. The irony is, if Dyson had simply developed his technology in the UK and built it overseas from the outset, no one would have said a word against him.

But despite the bad publicity, people are still buying Dyson. Almost everyone is aware of the brand and its values, which mean that like Apple, Dyson only ever has to do the occasional print / media adverts to highlight their latest lines. The simple fact is that there's very little choice at the high end for any brand to complete with the Dyson's features. The vast majority of sales are from out of town retail parks and it would appear that Dyson pays handsomely to be prominently displayed at these locations or is rewarding the retailer with high margins / constant unit sales.

Dyson is a purchase that most people who have the disposable income, are prepared to aspire to. Take me, as an example. If I had to go out tomorrow and buy a new vacuum, it wouldn't be a Dyson. In my personal situation, I'm busy building my business, so right now drawing as little as possible - 300 GBP vacuum cleaners don't get a look in. I'll get a 30 GBP canister and although I'll detest using it, it will do the job to a certain degree. But as soon as I can budget for it, I will take great delight in investing in a Dyson - no question... unless someone else is going to offer me something better (which they can't at the moment).

Objectively (trying to get in to the mind of the consumer), if someone has 200 GBP spare for the entry level Dyson upright / canister, doesn't have a preference for a bagged cleaner and wants a bagless without the useless filters that need maintaining all that time, it's tough to discover an option that isn't Dyson. I've been waiting since the first patents expired in around 2000 for this situation to change, but it hasn't developed yet.

Objectively, I see Dyson as a healthy business for the moment. They've added The Ball, they've got this digital motor, they've simplified the DC15 into the DC25, they've introduced a lightweight, they've reintroduced a powerhead, they've upped the ante with Level3 cyclone, new colour schemes (already being copied by others) and branched out in to the washroom with AirBlade. They appear to be investing large sums in to R&D, they don't have institutionalised shareholders to keep happy - creaming off the profits in the process. Of the dividends that the Dyson family is taking, a large proportion is earmarked for the Dyson School, to provide a long term solution in helping them to nurture new talent and generating a bit of PR.

mole wrote:

Thats enought Haterade for you!