Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

HARDSELL wrote:

You have it backwards.  The LV hotties say that about me [I make them frisky]. 

Carmine D.

HSN’s DC24 launch looks to be this Sunday.   http://home-solutions.hsn.com/dyson_c-hw_a-2699_xc.aspx?prev=hp&ocm=sekw

 

UK guys:  This broadcast steams live and then (typically) the video is archived for later viewing.        DIB

DIB:

In the last 2 weeks, I've received 4 emails to obtain a free DC25 with minor user stipulations.  I deleted them all.  Every one. 

I can't get use to that hideous looking stupid yellow ball wheel.  It is larger than the DC24 [the ball].  It's the size of a bowling ball!  In my opinion a complete and utter waste.  Like an appendix only much much larger.

I will probably tune in for some of the HSN launch just to see the HSN reactions [as I did with the Dirt Devil Kruz for $99 which BTW I bought and will gift away soon].   

Sorry for the brutal honesty.  I can't see what you/others see and Mr. Dyson is thinking with these things [I hestitate to call them vacuums for concern of insulting the integrity of the industry].  The industry needs a governing body to approve the launch of new vacuums to uphold the century old standards.  If there were one, these monstrousities would never have seen the light of a US home.

If Mr. Dyson is pinning his vacuum legacy on these, I hope he has very thick skin.  I think these things are destined to be the laughing stock of the industry.  Give me a HOOVER Z any day.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Well you just described the “perfect storm”.  Inventing in an antiquated industry (vacuum innovation as a whole) is much better than inventing in a highly innovative and motivative industry.  Dyson’s success can be compared to “taking candy away from a baby”.  Nobody out-invents this guy.  And no single person has profited more from innovative and patentable vacuum cleaners.  The DC24 and DC25 were most likely brought to market primarily based on the highly desired DC18's [success?] and after the toy-sized Japanese DC12 hugely profitable success.  Do the math, the $800 USD DC12 only sold in Japan and added 32% to the Dyson bottom line.  The $400 USD toy-sized DC24 can potentially go into many of James’ 45 markets/countries.  Make no mistake, the DC24 is going to sell huge, due to its size, weight and manuverability.  Maybe James should name his new $25m school… “The school the DC24 built”.       DIB

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DC12 story > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article1083197.ece

DIB, thanks for the information.  Will try to tune in this Sunday and at least catch a bit of it.

mole wrote:

Nope, still here.  Just observing more, not really anything worth posting about with the exception of Dyson and related news.  Maybe when there's more activity I'll be inclined to participate more often.  Nothing exciting yet as of now.

CarmineD wrote:
I can't believe anyone could possibly be so blind, but wonders never cease.  Hoover as it was known 20-some-odd years ago is, for all intents and purposes, dead.   I have to admit, though, you are quite brave; I think if you said this in front of any ex-Hoover employees (who were suddenly laid off, and some who did not even receive the mediocre severance packages offered) you would likely be drawn and quartered on the spot.  The only reason that TTI did not drop the Hoover name is that out of all of the brands they swallowed up, it happens to be the most popular out of those brands.  That is completely different from being the most popular big-box machine, Dyson holds that distinction as you very well know

Now what we *can* say is that hopefully TTI will make Hoover a good name again, it does look very promising though only time will tell.  That is one of the few things I agree with you on.  In fact I'll go out on a limb to say the Mach series or Nano Lite is more of a Hoover than the horrid WindTunnel design.  Whether or not you want to believe it, the last of the pre-TTI Hoovers were (and are) complete $#%*; dated and uncompetitive.  It's no surprise Hoover went to China because of this, and I predict that TTI will not be producing these machines for much longer.

CarmineD wrote:
 

-MH

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

For being succesful/highly desired [with a question mark] Kohl's is advertising the DC18 for $399 and soon to be discontinued.  Well below dyson MAP for this model which has an MSRP of $469.

Most other big box retailers dropped the DC18/lowered the prices long ago. 

Why would dyson scrub a 2 year old model [DC18] which is supposedly its most fave sku?  Claiming that the DC24/25 are new and improved versions of the DC18.  And not knowing whether or not the DC24/25 will sell as well as supposedly the DC18 has sold?  Doesn't compute in this old vacuum man's head. 

Now ....that's the makings of a perfect storm.

Carmine D

Carmine:  Heck, I can do better than that, check it out…  BestVacuum.com -  DC18 $365, w/free ship, no tax.  I bought there before, polite owner/partner and fast shipping.

 

A little detective work/reasoning...  Dyson did not replace the heavy $600 plus DC15 with another expensive and heavy version, but instead replaced the mid-weight 1-2ish year old DC18 with a new updated and stronger vacuum that can be advertised with full-sized like power, the DC25.  Dyson has carved out a mid-weight/maneuverable segment all to himself and now is carving out yet another entirely new segment to himself… the lightweight/maneuverable/toss around and small to store away segment - the “mini” segment, the DC24.  The DC24 sits alone with ZERO competitors at all/most Big Box stores, in terms of size, weight, store away, and maneuverability.  I give the guy much credit for manufacturing products that others can’t see or dismiss.  It takes $#%* and Dyson's got em...  Dyson Ball vacuums.

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Motorhead:  You’re welcome.

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Dyson “love” often reminds me of Apple Inc. “love”.

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DIB

DIB:

When COSTCO sold out of the DC18 months ago, they were priced on clearance for $300 each.  I never cared for the DC18 because of it's tipsy tilty top and small bottom.  The worse of all the dysons per CR ratings save the one you mentioned the DC15 ball. 

BTW, got another email for a free DC25.  5 now in 2 weeks and counting.  And it's not not launched yet on HSN.  Gotta love it! 

Up to now, the DC15 is IMHO the worse of the worse of all the dyson vacuums save the very short-lived canister DC11.  Have to see what bodes for the latest and greatest of the dysons the DC24/25.  

Everytime I scroll down this thread and see that pic of the DC25 with the hideous bowling ball sized wheel I cringe and have to close my eyes.  Not to mention getting the pics of the DC25 in my email box every few days.  Oh the pain and agony.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I had to do a double take on the last part.  I initially read it as "a one trick phony."   And I thought perhaps we were finally in mutual agreement.  Until I reread.

I don't believe he's done one good trick, let alone branch out to others. 

BTW, what's the dyson market share [for vacuums] in the UK lately?  Increasing/decreasing?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm afraid I can't offer any insight in to Dyson market share figures or recent trends. To do this, I'd need to either work for a retailer or know someone who does.