Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I'll be honest, I know nothing about vacuum cleaners except that I need one. I have 4 criteria for selection:
1) Works well
2) built well/will last me a long long time (serviceable)
3) Made in US, Japan, or Western Europe
4) Hopefully no more than $350

I think Oreck may end up being my choice since it's made in the US and I haven't found any others that aren't manufactured in south east Asia. But that's why I'm here! To tap into your brains :)

CarmineD wrote:

It is very apparent that you have fallen out of the boat AGAIN.  You keep using those same references over and over.  Consumers do not seem to agree with them or you.  In real world useage those vacuums seem to fail the comsumers expectations.  Research and you will find far more satisfied Dyson owners.  Others say that although they could not afford Dyson it is their preference.  Both Dyson owners and non owners recommend Dyson when advising others who are seeking advise on a new purchase.   Other than you and a few other indies no one mentions those references that you keep repeating.

You have told us that unit sales (market share) are more important than $ sales while I have contended that profits are more conducive to paying the bills.  Hoover sold more units than Dyson (per you).  Hoover failed financially and Dyson is still financially strong.  Who is the idiot here?

It is only my assumption that Hoover sold more boxes than Oreck.  Selling a $50 vacuum for $300 to $700 has to be very profitable for Oreck  regardless of units sold.  Perhaps ole Dave shares my view of sales since he hasn't failed financially as has Hoover.  We could also add Kirby to the high $ sales over units sold.   While we are at it why not include all those super expensive European models that the indies sell fewer of and make more profits on.

Have a nice day.

CarmineD wrote:

I can see that you do not  like to lose. 

You have said that you plan to buy another Dyson.  I do not plan to buy another Oreck or Hoover. 

HERE'S YOUR SIGN.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

W-R-O-N-G!   I said I would test the new dysons and determine if they were worthy of buying.  I did and they weren't which I made very clear several times.  The only dyson I agreed to accept is a free DC25 that several marketing researchers have been trying to force on me for free for the last 4 weeks.  But since you don't read/comprehend English, you're at a loss again.

I can take credit [blame] for being open minded enough to believe that after making vacuums 6 years here and 25 years in the UK, dyson just might eventually market a vacuum for US consumption that is worthy of the ridiculous sales prices.  As opposed to you.  You say that just because my Oreck devours pounds of sand every week from living in the desert, I have to see if the Oreck will pick up baking soda.  The former isn't valid but the latter is a real vacuuming test. 

No friend.  You keep the sign.  You earned it fair and square!

Carmine D.

Hey,  Boys please keep it coming,i really could use the amusement today.

GIT- ER- DONE........

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

I am intelligent enough to know that in the last 3 years since I tried an Oreck there have been no improvements to them.  No need to try their electric brooms again.

Dust and sand are both realistic in homes.  I do not have sand.  Unfortunately I do have a lot of dust on my wood floors so it is more important to me that my vacuum has the ability to suck it up and not blow it around the house.  I think that we have agreed before that there is no ONE vacuum for all.  I just happen to believe that Dyson is better as a one for all.  Oreck requires two vacuums to do it all (as best it can).

I suggested soda as a substiute for dust since it is more readily available than dust.  Are you now saying that sand (former) isn't valid but soda (latter) is?

Since I can't read I hope that my interpreter is quoting you correctly in order for me to properly respond.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I have no baking soda in my entire house and haven't for years.  Give me one reason why I should.  Maybe I should replace the sand in my grand daughters' sand box in my back yard [sand is free here in the desert] with oh....I don't know what would you say 5,000 to 10,000 boxes of baking soda at 50 cents a pop.  So the grands and the dog can trek baking soda into the house rather than sand.  My Oreck can devour it instead of the sand.  Sand is the culprit that wears out rugs and carpets anyway.  More so than baking soda.  And I can talk all the friends and neighbors into doing the same, and before you know it LV will have the market in baking soda cornered. Then we can charge $120 a box so idiots can test their vacuums using baking soda before buying.  Wonderful idea.

I like the Oreck so much I bought 4 and gifted 3 to others, who also rave about them.  You like the dyson so much you brag about it in every post but you don't own one.  You owned one for 2 years.  After the warranty was over, you sold it.  I asked you why you don't buy another dyson since you always brag about how great it was.  What did you tell us?  In 5 different posts at different times?  You don't want to pay the high price for a dyson.  Dah?  Sound familiar?  I've been telling you the exact same thing for years.  But you're at a loss to understand.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine, Capture DOES in fact clog vacuum cleaner bags.  People who have previously used Capture to clean their carpets pick quite a bit of leftover powder up with their just-purchased Dysons. 

Baking soda is neither bogus nor ridiculous.  The only thing "bogus" and "ridiculous" is calling you an "expert", which you are not.  Baking soda is often used as a carpet deodorizer, which explains why there are many carpet deodorizers out there that claim to have baking soda as an active ingredient.  Baking soda does *not* clog vacuum cleaner bags or filters, in fact the only thing baking soda *will* do is prove how ineffective the Oreck is at bare floor cleaning. 

Vacuuming up ashes from a barbecue grill or fireplace was designed by a true expert to TEST THE LIMITS of a vacuum's filtration system.  Of course any average cleaner is going to clog, that's what it was designed for.  The question is, though, how much can it handle before it *does* clog?  Only a moron would suggest picking up BURNING ashes, there is a clear difference.  Our expert did not say that.  But leave it up to you to make those inane assumptions.  Again, more ramblings from the mouth of a blithering idiot. 

The only reason any vac shop owner would recommend an Oreck is because they ultimately profit from the sales of bags, belts, and fans.  A true rip-off artist would undoubtedly recommend an Oreck with their extremely high priced vacuum bags.  At wholesale, an 8-pack of Oreck bags costs $4.86 and sells for $25 retail.  The belts cost 27¢ and retail for $3 apiece.  The fans cost $6 and retail for $40. 

Most regular vac shops who sell Orecks (before the Oreck-store exclusive policy went into effect) have them nailed to the floor...

-MH

Well, as MH, after giving such kind and lengthy help (along with some others), asked me to let you know what I bought in the end, here's the answer: I --we--chose a Miele Carina.

I know I said I wasn't very keen on canisters--and in fact, I wasn't. This meant everyone here spent a lot of time on analysing uprights for me--please don't feel it was wasted--it was very helpful and enabled us to narrow things down, rule things out, and learn a lot in the process.

The Carina is so small and manageable, and not heavy--though not quite as light as Oreck or Simplicity. However it has crevice and upholstery tools, telescoping wand (so no bending as you vacuum), suction controls (so my lighter area rugs won't get sucked up), and it's not noisy. I always thought canisters were bulky but this doesn't seem to be, and you can clip the hose/head part to the body in a " park" mode when you stop vacuuming or carry it upstairs. As our rugs are all low pile, I hope the combination floor/carpet tool will be sufficient with just the suction, no brushroll.

The clincher was that the shop gave us $100 off for trading in our old broken Dirt Devil and there was a sale as well, so end price was $269 (plus tax) which we thought excellent.

Thanks again for all your help.

Christine

Motorhead wrote:

Thank you Motorhead.  After your uninvited interference above, you remove all doubt as to who is the local yokel that recommends the burning ash vacuum test.  As idiotic as baking soda which we all know naturally occurs in in all households every day.

Maybe you and HS should share the big idiot sign.  You're both worthy of the win! 

What was your authoritative source for 4 Million dysons sold in the USA, Mr. x-pert? 

Carmine D.

christine wrote:

Congrats on a great choice and price.  Miele-s are known in the industry for lasting on average 20 years.  Enjoy using your new purchase.

Carmine D.