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M00seUK
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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm |
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #348 Apr 24, 2008 12:15 am |
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iMacDaddy, Thanks for your review. I like your tag… “The DC25 is the greater Dyson.” The DC15 gets beat up at review sites on occasion (certainly not always) and here by some over its weight, I have one and I like it, but can agree that it is feels somewhat heavy for turning. Our housekeeper is a tiny thing and does not have the strength to turn the DC15 but has told me another client owns DC18 and she can turn it and loves it. It's got to be a great feeling for James Dyson, seeing that he is the only manufacturer with turning uprights. It looks like knock-off manufacturers or otherwise should not be able to reverse engineer these ball vacuums (at least for a while anyways). DIB . ...oops, I forgot to type not in my above text. added 4/26/08
This message was modified Apr 26, 2008 by DysonInventsBig
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Trilobite
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #349 May 6, 2008 4:38 pm |
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There are several things that should be noted about the DC25. First, the brushroll is simply heads and shoulders above anything else dyson has used in any upright. Its bristles are aggressive enough to deep clean without tearing your carpet up. When vacuuming carpet, you can definitely feel the aggressive nature of the brushroll with a slight vibration that resonates all the way up the handle. This is something that I have not felt on other models such as the DC07, DC14, DC15, DC17, and DC18. The brushroll, coupled with the redesigned motorhead, creates a tight seal between the carpet and the soleplate. To further test this finding, I took out a bathroom rug and used my DC17 and DC25 on it. The 17 was able make a few passes while tearing many fibers out of the rug. However, the 25 could not roll on the rug without bunching it up because the tight seal between the rug and sole plate would not permit it to roll smoothly on the rug. In addition, some may think that the DC18 and DC25 will perform the same because of their similarly sized brush rolls; they don't. The DC18 doesn't have that tight suction feel in the motorhead as the DC25, nor do you feel a slight vibration in the handle generated from the brushroll as you would with the 25. When I read this section of your post, it made me want to experiment with my DC15, as in my opinion, the DC15 doesn't seem to perform any better on carpet than any other cleaner. Indeed, Which? Magazine was a little disappointed with its test results.
I decided to try to improve the suction at the soleplate by a simple modification: blocking that ridiculous "large particle" opening. I took a sheet of robust kitchen paper, and simply folded it tightly into the approximate size of the opening, then inserted it into the opening on the underside of the bumper. Switching on, the cleaner now hugs the carpet much better. The pile seems to stand more upright and I am convinced that the machine is removing more dirt from the carpets, as there appears to be evidence in the bin, of ancient 'Zorb' Carpet Powder that has not been used in two years! Also, there appears to be evidence of more grit in the bin than is usual. The downside is that the machine now hugs vinyl floorcoverings and lightweight rugs somewhat more intimately, making for resistant manoeuvring. Has any one else tried this?
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #350 May 6, 2008 5:26 pm |
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When I read this section of your post, it made me want to experiment with my DC15, as in my opinion, the DC15 doesn't seem to perform any better on carpet than any other cleaner. Indeed, Which? Magazine was a little disappointed with its test results. I decided to try to improve the suction at the soleplate by a simple modification: blocking that ridiculous "large particle" opening. I took a sheet of robust kitchen paper, and simply folded it tightly into the approximate size of the opening, then inserted it into the opening on the underside of the bumper. Switching on, the cleaner now hugs the carpet much better. The pile seems to stand more upright and I am convinced that the machine is removing more dirt from the carpets, as there appears to be evidence in the bin, of ancient 'Zorb' Carpet Powder that has not been used in two years! Also, there appears to be evidence of more grit in the bin than is usual. The downside is that the machine now hugs vinyl floorcoverings and lightweight rugs somewhat more intimately, making for resistant manoeuvring. Has any one else tried this? Trilobite, Yes, I have. In theory, by plugging up this hole you just made your vacuum suck better than the DC17. And it’s highly maneuverable unlike the 17, and softer tuffs too. A fix for your lighter rugs, etc. getting sucked to much… A quick and dirty way would be to use duct tape to cover the debris channel opening > then open it (peal tape back) up somewhat when doing lighter carpets. Or cover this opening with duct tape and peal it back just enough (creating an air leak) so to set suction just right on the light carpets and leave it this way for the other carpets too. Keep an eye on the pre-filter, it may dirty faster. DIB
This message was modified May 6, 2008 by DysonInventsBig
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Trilobite
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #354 May 11, 2008 7:44 pm |
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Hi Trilobite I will give it a go with my DC15 and let you know! Explains why the DC18 Slim head without the large debris pickup hole hugs the floor better than the DC15! DC18 I wondered whether the DC18 had that opening on it; now I know, ta. Dyson's engineers have a funny way of going about things, by introducing features on a particular model, for them to disappear on the next, and reappear further down the line.
They really need to address the 'up to the edge' cleaning ability of the DC15, both side on and straight on. It may be fine on vinyl flooring, but on carpet it is a pain in the neck. The brushes never get as close as the Hoovers did.
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Acerone
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #355 May 12, 2008 6:16 pm |
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DC18
Dyson, Sebo and Bissell user
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #356 May 12, 2008 6:17 pm |
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Trilobite I know what you mean, I bet if someone did the same with a DC14 it would feel different! More powerful. I have tried it on my DC15 and what a difference plugging up that hole mades, so much so that i can hardly push it a easily as before. The carpet pile lifts so much better and I could see the carpet being lift where the nozzle was! Yes I have to agree what you say about Hoover edge cleaning. The Hoover Turbopower (1980's) for one had great side\edge suction cleaning performance, with it's flared edge brushes on the brush roll. Even Hoover (UK) have stopped doing this now! The side 'whiskers' on the DC07 where quite good why they dropped it after the DC14 who knows? Sebo Felix has very good edge cleaning too. DC18
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #357 May 13, 2008 7:49 am |
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Trilobite I know what you mean, I bet if someone did the same with a DC14 it would feel different! More powerful. I have tried it on my DC15 and what a difference plugging up that hole mades, so much so that i can hardly push it a easily as before. The carpet pile lifts so much better and I could see the carpet being lift where the nozzle was! Yes I have to agree what you say about Hoover edge cleaning. The Hoover Turbopower (1980's) for one had great side\edge suction cleaning performance, with it's flared edge brushes on the brush roll. Even Hoover (UK) have stopped doing this now! The side 'whiskers' on the DC07 where quite good why they dropped it after the DC14 who knows? Sebo Felix has very good edge cleaning too. DC18
You probably don't have the Orecks in the UK. For those who do, look at the Oreck edge cleaners. Compare to the dyson DC07. Makes the DC07 edge cleaners look useless. Oreck's edge cleaners work both on bare floors and rugs. The best I've found so far in design function and performance.
Carmine D.
This message was modified May 13, 2008 by CarmineD
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