Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Dyson UK sales:  According to British newspapers, clones and resentment hurt Dyson sales..  The Guardian and, “Dyson’s Domestic Dilemma.”         DIB

DIB:

Thanks for the articles.  I've read both before but despite their age were worth a reread.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hello Mole:

I have mixed feelings about the TTI buyout of HOOVER and future HOOVER prospects.  Certainly, Maytag ruined HOOVER.  But HOOVER didn't help matters going back to the 60's.  As a dealer, it was evident to me and others in the business that HOOVER made the decision to cater to the bog box retailers, at the expense of the independents who were their faithful flock.

It appears TTI may have proved me wrong on the Anniversary HOOVER edition.  I'm still waiting to see this model and scope it out at BEST BUY.  I hope it's a contender.  HOOVER is still a widely recognized and renown name in floorcare.  It has many acclaimed floorcare products.  But the quality of these products like the HOOVER vacuums have deteriorated.  Will TTI improve it?  I don't know but I am hopeful.

Carmine D.

DIB:

WRT Consumer Reports and its ratings and assessment of dyson vacuums, it's noteworthy and commendable that dyson was second in reliability in March 2008 to Kirby [which has maintained the number one spot for years].  Certainly this must make Mr. Dyson smile and feel good.  Even if only one of his dyson models in the last 6 years make the top 10 CR ratings [DC17].

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

It seems that Mr. D has gone off the deep end.  I think the DC07 was his best vacuum.  He should have simply made some small improvements as opposed to reinventing a good thing. 

I used a DC14 and found no gain in performance.  I just do not like the other models, although I have no real experience using them.

I will continue to use my Royal and Kirby and buy a DC07 when they get rock bottom cheap or a decent new Dyson hits the market.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hardsell,

I agree, the DC07 is probably the best filtering (excluding Root + Core Separator) Dyson to date, and for many reasons.  Dyson filed patents on both the DC07 filtration and the DC14 around the same time, but introduced the DC07 as his first multi-cyclonic.  The lower handle height on the DC14 is (I’m told) the reason for its introduction.  But in typical Dyson fashion, there is no sales literature or information anywhere supporting this feature.

 

The ball pivoting in concert with an articulated nozzle like the DC15 and DC18 is very cool and yes, it makes vacuuming easier.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

DIB Wrote:

 I have not read this CR report and had know idea of Dyson rating 2nd.  Thats BIG!  Yes, James shouid be very pleased.  Thanks for letting me know. 

Your welcome.  Now, perhaps, you have another perspective on Consumer Reports. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I do absolutely.  CR has moved up my “Do they have credibility scale.”

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For those interested, here is the Mechanical Test advert by Dyson.  And Web page.      DIB

Well, I am in the process of moving into a new place that happens to have soft delicate carpeting that my current DC17 would simply destroy.  So this weekend I had to get a new vacuum.  I was considering the upcoming DC23 canister, however, the inability to attach tools directly to the hose, coupled with the use of a less aggressive motorhead from the DC18, as well as the steep price tag and lack of DDM has led me to the DC25.  There are several things that should be noted about the DC25.  First, the brushroll is simply heads and shoulders above anything else dyson has used in any upright.  Its bristles are aggressive enough to deep clean without tearing your carpet up.  When vacuuming carpet, you can definitely feel the aggressive nature of the brushroll with a slight vibration that resonates all the way up the handle.  This is something that I have not felt on other models such as the DC07, DC14, DC15, DC17, and DC18.  The brushroll, coupled with the redesigned motorhead, creates a tight seal between the carpet and the soleplate.  To further test this finding, I took out a bathroom rug and used my DC17 and DC25 on it.  The 17 was able make a few passes while tearing many fibers out of the rug.  However, the 25 could not roll on the rug without bunching it up because the tight seal between the rug and sole plate would not permit it to roll smoothly on the rug.  In addition, some may think that the DC18 and DC25 will perform the same because of their similarly sized brush rolls; they don't.  The DC18 doesn't have that tight suction feel in the motorhead as the DC25, nor do you feel a slight vibration in the handle generated from the brushroll as you would with the 25. 

In addition to much improved agitation, the tool system has also been redesigned.  Gone are the old attachments that you have to twist on cleaning wand/hose to insure a tight fit for use.  Instead, a new "snap-on" system has been implemented so that tools simply snap into place, either on the cleaning wand or hose, withouth having to tightly twist them on.  Pressing a small button located on the receptor end releases the attachment.  A small lamintated foam seal within the receptor ends of the cleaning wand and hose insure a tight seal between it and the attachments.  This may seem like a welcome change for the better, however, those with tools like the U-bend brush, or the dusting brush will need to have smaller connector adapters (the same size used for the DC16 hand held).  Those other attachments such as the hard floor tool and the turbo brush are useless with this machine, unless there is some sort of adapter made available soon for use with the DC24/DC25.

The redesigned tools (upholstery brush, combination crevice/dusting brush tool) no longer have the "high-velocity" holes in them, with allows for much more air flow to pass through them.  This has definitely improved performance, especially with the dusting brush, that creates a very tight seal between it and the surface it comes in contact with. 

A new air valve system has been implemented to allow airflow to pass through the cleaning wand/hose only when the wand and handle are released and pulled off the machine.  Because of this, the air is constantly flowing through the motorhead, even when upright, and now longer do you hear noisy air flow coming though the top of the handle. 

As far as size and weight is concerned, the DC25 is very small in comparison to the DC15 and DC17, as well as other full size models.  It is noticably light weight, like the DC18 Slim, the model of which the small cleaning bin is sourced from.  I believe dyson wanted to go the compact/lightweight direction with the new Ball models because many felt the DC15 looked too big, bulky, and complicated.  When comparing the DC15 Animal to the DC25 on the showroom floor, the DC15 definitely looks less ergonomic than the DC25, which has a far more simplistic look.

Overall, I think the DC25 is a great machine that should bode well for the company.  It is compact, lightweight, easy to steer, but it is very powerful as well.  In regards to ergonomics, I find the DC25 easier to use in comparison to every other dyson model currently available.  The new brushroll/motorhead should definitely score well with Consumer Reports, and I am eager to see what's in store for the next comparison.  The DC15 may not have been as great of a machine as it could have been, however, I strongly feel that the DC25 is "the greater dyson."