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M00seUK
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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm |
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #335 Apr 12, 2008 6:08 pm |
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I said this about Hoover just re introducing the same old junk and you disagreed. Of course you now agree since Dyson is doing similar things. HARDSELL:
I never said I invented the reasoning. I'll agree that you said it about HOOVER. And I'll say it about dyson now. You should have no problem agreeing with me/Mole, since you are the originator of the observation. One might opine that Mr. Dyson is worse off than HOOVER by not profiting from the HOOVER errors. Instead, Mr. Dyson is taking the same path. Living off his laurels. I don't take credit for making the latter observation either. Mole said it a few posts up in number 322. His later question to me about TTI and HOOVER is directly related to that post's point and this subsequent series of exchanges. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #336 Apr 12, 2008 9:17 pm |
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B.T.W it seems like dyson is following hoovers lead in product development,way to much of the same thing,just a few cosmetic changes here and there,nothing earth shattering. MOLE HARDSELL:
To validate your and Mole's concurrence on the dyson-HOOVER comparison, I took the liberty to quote Mole's words in post 269 on this thread. I didn't disagree with him. Fact is that later in post 331, I say that Mr. Dyson has not produced any improvements to the dyson vacuums in the last 6 years in the USA. Save finally revamping the brush roll on the DC25, according to comments provided by posters. Are there products and/or improvements that you want to site that I missed? Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #337 Apr 12, 2008 10:06 pm |
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M00seUK: I don't agree. Dyson sales have made gains from year to year due to increases in prices and expanding into new markets. Dyson has lost market share in units and percentages to the competition in the UK since 2004 and not gained it back. What is dyson now in the UK? About 30 percent? The ball technology of 2005 is old. What do you think is new and better from dyson in the last 6 years [in the USA] that makes dyson worthy of the 'premium' prices? It appears from the commentary on the DC25 that dyson has finally come up with a brush roll that meets US standards. After only 6 years of trying! What kind of R&D is this? No, the R&D is not spent on vacuums. It's spent on other things that have no bearing on vacuums. Carmine D. Carmine, Dyson UK sales: According to British newspapers, clones and resentment hurt Dyson sales.. The Guardian and, “Dyson’s Domestic Dilemma.” DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #338 Apr 13, 2008 7:27 am |
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DIB: Thanks for the articles. I've read both before but despite their age were worth a reread. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #339 Apr 13, 2008 7:32 am |
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Carmine, do you think that TTI is going to get hoover back where it belongs or just let them wallow in the mess that their in now,the name of game today is quality and longevity,which the overseas vacuum manufactures except the germans just settle for peddeling mediocre overpriced plastic garbage.
IT just seems to me that product quality is of no concern anymore,just lots of hype and getting rewarded for screwing the public................
MOLE
Hello Mole:
I have mixed feelings about the TTI buyout of HOOVER and future HOOVER prospects. Certainly, Maytag ruined HOOVER. But HOOVER didn't help matters going back to the 60's. As a dealer, it was evident to me and others in the business that HOOVER made the decision to cater to the bog box retailers, at the expense of the independents who were their faithful flock. It appears TTI may have proved me wrong on the Anniversary HOOVER edition. I'm still waiting to see this model and scope it out at BEST BUY. I hope it's a contender. HOOVER is still a widely recognized and renown name in floorcare. It has many acclaimed floorcare products. But the quality of these products like the HOOVER vacuums have deteriorated. Will TTI improve it? I don't know but I am hopeful. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #340 Apr 13, 2008 7:41 am |
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DIB: WRT Consumer Reports and its ratings and assessment of dyson vacuums, it's noteworthy and commendable that dyson was second in reliability in March 2008 to Kirby [which has maintained the number one spot for years]. Certainly this must make Mr. Dyson smile and feel good. Even if only one of his dyson models in the last 6 years make the top 10 CR ratings [DC17]. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #341 Apr 13, 2008 8:08 am |
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HARDSELL: I never said I invented the reasoning. I'll agree that you said it about HOOVER. And I'll say it about dyson now. You should have no problem agreeing with me/Mole, since you are the originator of the observation. One might opine that Mr. Dyson is worse off than HOOVER by not profiting from the HOOVER errors. Instead, Mr. Dyson is taking the same path. Living off his laurels. I don't take credit for making the latter observation either. Mole said it a few posts up in number 322. His later question to me about TTI and HOOVER is directly related to that post's point and this subsequent series of exchanges. Carmine D.
Carmine,
It seems that Mr. D has gone off the deep end. I think the DC07 was his best vacuum. He should have simply made some small improvements as opposed to reinventing a good thing. I used a DC14 and found no gain in performance. I just do not like the other models, although I have no real experience using them. I will continue to use my Royal and Kirby and buy a DC07 when they get rock bottom cheap or a decent new Dyson hits the market.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #342 Apr 13, 2008 12:05 pm |
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Carmine, It seems that Mr. D has gone off the deep end. I think the DC07 was his best vacuum. He should have simply made some small improvements as opposed to reinventing a good thing. I used a DC14 and found no gain in performance. I just do not like the other models, although I have no real experience using them. I will continue to use my Royal and Kirby and buy a DC07 when they get rock bottom cheap or a decent new Dyson hits the market. Hardsell, I agree, the DC07 is probably the best filtering (excluding Root + Core Separator) Dyson to date, and for many reasons. Dyson filed patents on both the DC07 filtration and the DC14 around the same time, but introduced the DC07 as his first multi-cyclonic. The lower handle height on the DC14 is (I’m told) the reason for its introduction. But in typical Dyson fashion, there is no sales literature or information anywhere supporting this feature. The ball pivoting in concert with an articulated nozzle like the DC15 and DC18 is very cool and yes, it makes vacuuming easier. DIB
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #343 Apr 13, 2008 1:17 pm |
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DIB: WRT Consumer Reports and its ratings and assessment of dyson vacuums, it's noteworthy and commendable that dyson was second in reliability in March 2008 to Kirby [which has maintained the number one spot for years]. Certainly this must make Mr. Dyson smile and feel good. I have ot read this CR report and had know idea of Dyson rating 2nd. Thats BIG! Yes, James shouid be very pleased. Thanks for letting me know. Even if only one of his dyson models in the last 6 years make the top 10 CR ratings [DC17]. Dyson does not lead the industry at the floor and so I cannot agree with his (at times/on some vacuums) beat my carpet to a pulp concept (DC21 for example). Hear's my suggestion... on how Dyson should fix his nozzle and/or brush? Study and copy. A great deal of what manufacturers design at the nozzle and brush are not patent protected any longer, and are in the public domain. Study and copy and/or incorporate the best elements, it is that simple. DIB Carmine D.
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