Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

bucks03 wrote:

I wonder how many vacuum buyers and users feel this way? 

Dyson backed into the airblade by accident.  The ball technology

was made for wheel barrows not vacuums.  Are vacuums wheel barrows?

Vacuum buyers will be the judge.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, I simply cut out the Dyson lineup from his UK web page and drew a line over the handles.  The image you asked for, I just copied from the US site and drew some lines.  It is the easiest for me.

As much as I dislike Consumer Reports on vacuums, at times it is science and at times it is a circus.  Yes, it has to hurt Dyson sales to some degree.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Thank you DIB. 

I would agree CR ratings affect vacuum sales.  But for Mr. Dyson, CR ratings are much more.  CR ratings affect his reputation as engineer and inventor.

WRT to ball technology on vacuums:  Maybe on full size, heavy duty vacuums like a DC17.  But lightweight household vacuums? Do you need ball technology?  The Dirt Devil Kruz [pronounced cruise] does marvelously with 3 simple ordinary wheels.  It's on my buy list  based solely on the favorable HSN demo which so impressed the HSN sales staffers.  More than any vacuum product I've ever seen advertised on home sales TV.

Carmine D.

Just so you people know this,the dirt devil swivelglide vacuum outmanuevers a dc15,and it's only 39.95.........

MOLE

mole wrote:

You forgot to add – ..[wrong], lazy and fairly stupid too.        DIB

updated on: 4/11/08

Mole attacked Mr. Dyson (one of many, many shameless attacks) and his benevolent $50 million dollar gift and school for kids to learn to innovate and engineer.  This should ultimately produce thousands of jobs and steams of tax income into/for the UK and perhaps other countries.  I defended the good.

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I’m setting the record straight….

“Suits” in general of American vacuum cleaner manufacturing are “lazy and fairly stupid.” I have seen it first hand and am in the position to comment.  When it comes to respecting, understanding, appreciating and courting innovation and inventors American vacuum manufacturers do not lead.  I have much respect for the hard working and moral, no matter their vocation.     DIB

 

I'll say it again...  I respect the opinions and vocations of the hard working and moral.

CarmineD wrote:

CarmineD  Exactly.  a vacuum cleaner is not a ballbarrow.  I do not really see much advantage of having the Ball in the middle, I have used it and not liked it.  The Ball is simply just to keep people interested I think.  If Dyson really want to create as 'Slim' vacuum cleaner then they should remove the ball and create a vacuum cleaner that is slim without the bulge of the ball in gthe middle.  A machine like the older DC03 was good and that didn't have the ball, it was able to lie completely flat to the ground which allowed the user to vacuum under Coffee Tables and Beds unlike the Ball models which are not able due to the diameter of the ball.

I was in Target today looking for a chaise lounger in preparation for the 90 degree weather in LV this weekend.  Eat your hearts out!

Stopped by the vacuum aisle.  Saw the DC24.  Tiny dirt bin.  Huge ball wheel looks awkward on the petite dyson DC24.  Monthly pre-filter washings. Low cord wraps.  If you like bending over to touch your feet with your hands, you'll like the DC24 cord wrap. Terrible bin lid cover release mechanism.  Chintzy.  Didn't work after numerous tries by my Wife and I.  Had to open/close the bin lid manually.  I don't like the brushbar.  It's not aggressive enough for surface cleaning and grooming on carpets IMHO.  Better suited for floors.  $399 plus a $50 Target Gift Card.

Didn't try the vacuum operation.  Leave that test for BEST BUY.  Unless the vacuum operation on carpets proves worthy of the $399 price tag, it's not on my short list as a lightweight daily user in my home.   My impression is that it competes with all the mini and lite stick vacuum uprights [$50 retail] on the market.  But with a very pricey sticker. If anyone uses the dyson 24 ball, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on my comments.

BTW, this Target store has the DC07 Animal, DC14 Target Exclusive [being sold on clearance], DC18 Slim, DC17, and now the DC24.  No other dysons.  All the dysons come with a $50 Gift Card with purchase.  

I looked for the Kruz  [thanks for the nice pic DIB]  but it was not in stock yet.  That one is on my buy list unless it totally doesn't do what I saw it do on HSN TV.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, why do you put so much faith in a magazine that relies on hand-outs?  Their non-profit tax status (does not pay taxes) isn’t even enough to keep them solvent.  They must pan handle to survive.  Does CR open their books annually as to who gives what and are these donors connected to manufacturing in any way?

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Dyson indeed looses somewhat at the floor with the beater brush/nozzle wars.  Year in and year out it will continue to loose unless Dyson the designer can get out of the way and allow Dyson the inventor and engineer to build a better vacuum at the floor.  CR owes it’s readers an explanation as to why they do not put a number or percentage amount on its “suck dirt from carpet” findings.  CR is playing the public for stupid.  What’s better and more definitive, a number amount or their current red dot system of ¼, ½, ¾ or full – the bigger your dot the better we like you [system].  Does the top vacuum out suck a Dyson buy 10 grains of sand or 100 grains of sand or 1000 grains of sand? - And if so for how long or how long until the bag chokes?  And/or what happens to a Dyson vacuum versus a bag or filtered vacuum after sucking up ¾ cups or so of fine dust, will Dyson's filtration then prove itself and then become higher ranked or even a winner?        DIB

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P.S.  I have not seen this years CR vacuum reviews.  I base my text from last years memory of CR vacuum reviewing.

A friend and I was at Best Buy today, and had a chance to check out both the DC24 and DC25. The DC24 is incredibly small, and the brushroll is not as aggressive as those on other dyson models. The DC25 did have a better brush roll that is as large as the roller on the DC18. However, the bristles were arranged in thicker bunches than on the DC18 brush roll. I didn't try out the DC24 because I was mainly interested in the DC25. The 25 was easy to maneuver, and didn't have the same high pitch whine coming from the brush motor as the DC15/18, due to the use of a belt as opposed to a gear drive. Some users here have commented on the brush speed of the DC25 being faster than previous models, however, I could not tell the difference. To the touch, the brush roll spun at the same RPM's as on the DC18. However, I believe the shorter, thicker bunches of bristles would attribute to better surface cleaning and improved deep cleaning with the 25 as opposed to older models with taller, thinner bunches of bristles on the roller (sans DC17). I popped the lid off the Ball to extract the post-hepa filter that needs cleaning every three months, and it appears to be a water proof pleated filter. I'm interested in knowing if it would need cleaning at all. I used the DC25 in the music section where it was carpeted, and noticed much brown filth filling the container instantaneously. I think the new brush roll design really helps out in that respect, because I've demoed DC07's and DC14's in the same area on several occasions, and have never seen dirt enter the container as fast as it did with the DC25. After using the machine, I inspected the new unused prefilter, only to see that dirt has already soiled its clean surface. As a DC17 owner, I was disappointed by this, because dyson is touting this as its flagship vacuum, which can't filter squat compared to my DC17. After a couple months of use, my pre-filter is still white, and with the exception of a few grains of sand, is relatively clean as on the day it was delivered to my door step. I really wish that they could have used DC17 container on this machine rather than the DC18 bin. I don't think adding a couple of pounds by using the more sophisticated filtration system would make this machine a heavy weight monstrosity. Overall, I see the DC25 being a good step up from the DC18 because of its improved brushroll. It is especially better than the DC15 Animal that they had discounted for $449 (I hope they replace it with the DC25 Animal that is currently sold in the UK, the DC15 is simply unnecessary now).