Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

HEY Carmine,this nonsense going on in the U,K. reminds me about health-mor and shetland lewyt over the cyclonic patent infridement which health-mor won and eventually buried lewyt,It was over 3 million at the time,
B,T,W, HMI INC makes the filterqueen vacuum for those who dont know, Americas first sucessful bagless vacuum cleaner,
I find this all very amusing   

how about the airblade have they sold more than 50 units yet,I rather wipe my hands off on my trousers,,,,,,,HA, HA, HA,

SELL SELL SELL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

THE -MOLE

mole wrote:
many many more than 50 units........

mole wrote:

If you wash your private each morning there is no need to wash your hands when you wee wee.

HI H.S. i agree but it takes 2 hands to handle the whopper......................

  MOLE

I can't see Dyson putting a filter indicator on the domestic machines.  I can see why he put it on the 'constant max' commercial cleaner. Unless he changes his mind.  In the early days (and I would of thought he would still think the same today!) he hated the so called 'bag full' indicator on bagged machines.  As for disposible filters I can't see him going back to these as that is what the DC01, DC02 and ealry DC03 had and that would put extra running costs onto owning the machine.  Hence they developed a washable one.  Yes the cyclone technology over the years on later models has improved but Dyson mentions 'no extra running costs' as part of the marketing of the machines.  So going backwards to replacement\disposible filters is a step back.

I think the long term answer is to develope the cyclone technology further to reduce the need to clean the filter out regular.  Didn't someone say 7 years on the DDM DC23 that is in Japan!?  Correct me if I'm wrong.  The DDM removes the need (I believe) for the post motor filter, so pushing cyclone technology further could reduce filter cleaning longer! 

DC18

DC18 wrote:

DC18:

I believe that 7 years is the warranty on the DDM, not the filter life.

Carmine D.

I think I may of posted the below already.  Here it is (again)...

My neighbor was kind enough to translate (best as possible) the wording on this DC22 packaging.        DIB

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Japanese Blog picture of the DC22 Moorhead’s packaging - stated:

1)      30 times better than any cyclone vacuum.

2)      Motorhead does not slow down vs. turbine nozzle.

3)      Updated Root with Core separator.

4)      “About” 7 years you do not have to touch [pre-filte] for 7 years.

5)      2 yr. warrantee.

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Japanese DC22 Motorhead launch event w/James Dyson standing in front of signage:

1)      No maintenance on the filter.

2)      Suction stays strong.

3)      14 root cyclones

4)      More cyclones than the DC12 model.

5)      Dyson DDM.

6)      Dyson digital motor – re-invented motor.

7)      Buttons on handgrip, do not have to lean over.

8)      Suction mode can be changed for curtains.

9)      Exhaust air directed upward.

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Japanese DC22 Motorhead rapid prototype:

1)      100 people worked on it.

2)      100 different models of vacuums.  The best elements from these models were used on production model.

DIB

Thanks for the reminder about the DC22 in Japan thought it was 7 years on the filter.  Wasn't 100% sure but thought I read you comment on here correct.

DC18

I stand corrected in my belief. 

I don't expect definitive answers but these questions come to mind.  All comments are welcome. 

I wonder how does one arrive at a measure, standard, criteria for establishing a 7 year maintenance free pre-motor filter?  

I can't reconcile a 7 year maintenance free filter life with a 2 year vacuum cleaner warranty.  I can understand a 2 year [or less] maintenance free filter life with a 7 year vacuum warranty.  Why?  Say the filter fails [clogs] after 2 years and before 7 years.  Is it replaced under a separate pre-motor filter warranty?  If not, of what value is the 7 year maintenance free filter life? It's a moot point.   It's not reasonable [at least to me] to make a maintenance free claim on the filter that exceeds the vacuum's warranty [unless the filter comes with a warranty for that specific period of time].  Does it make sense to others?

The cyclones in the DC22 are 30 times better than existing ones and result in 7 years of maintenance free filter life.  Then my logical deduction tells me dyson can produce bagless vacuums with cyclones that are 5-10 times better [than those dysons to date] with a year/more maintenance free pre-motor filters.  If so, why didn't dyson make them available on the DC24/25? 

Carmine D.