Vacuum Cleaners Discussions |
|
iMacDaddy
Electrolux UltraOne EL7070, Bissell BigGreen Deep Cleaning Machine
Joined: Oct 30, 2007
Points: 110
|
|
Dyson DC22
Original Message Oct 30, 2007 9:38 am |
|
|
CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #67 Apr 2, 2008 5:03 pm |
|
Carmine, Here is James Dyson’s dual cyclone w/clear bin U.S. patent - filed in 1984. . Here and below is my Fantom Capture upright/dry shampooer, James’ 1st licensed American dual cyclonic w/clear bin and U.S. patent - filed in 1987. It is my understanding that no other manufacturer pre-dates James’ clear bin. A clear sight glass yes, a clear bin no. If any collectors know of any clear binned vacuum that pre-dates James’ clear bin I’d like to see it (post here). DIB . Note: Amway using Bissell as a manufacturer stole James' dual cyclonic and had on the U.S. market in 1990 (per James Dyson autobiography – “Against the Odds”) Read of it here Hello DIB:
Eureka's first bagless upright, called the Whirlwind "cyclonic" that was mass marketed in the USA was a single cyclone, not dual cyclone like dyson.
WRT to the first clear dust bin, I mentioned recently that Regina used a clear plastic dust cup on its later Electrik Brooms [probably late 1960's early 1970's]. So users could see the dirt in the cup for dumping. Also Lewyt canisters, which were bagless and then went bagged in the mid 1950's, used a paper bag called the Speed Sak that had a clear see thru panel that extended the entire length of the bag. So users didn't have to quess if the bag needed to be replaced.
Most if not all of the floor washers and scrubbers of the 1960's and 1970's used clear/cloudy see thru plastic water tanks so users could see the levels of clean/dirty water solutions. Name brand canisters in the 1970's, like Sears, used clear see thru plastic covers for the tops of the on-board tool storage so users could see that all the tools were present and properly stored.
The application of clear/see-thru floorcare bins, bags, tanks and covers is not unique to any particular vacuum brand, make, and/or model like dyson/dyson bagless vacuums. Their usage has a long and storied history in the vacuum/floorcare industry in the USA dating back several decades before Mr. Dyson.
Carmine D.
This message was modified Apr 2, 2008 by CarmineD
|
DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #69 Apr 3, 2008 7:43 pm |
|
Hello DIB: Eureka's first bagless upright, called the Whirlwind "cyclonic" that was mass marketed in the USA was a single cyclone, not dual cyclone like dyson.
Carmine, Re: Whirlwind Cyclonic. Since Eureka abandoned it, it must be assumed as a mechanical failure. It filtered probably no better than today’s so called bagless cyclonic, Dyson-looking but not Dyson-filtering vacuums.
WRT to the first clear dust bin, I mentioned recently that Regina used a clear plastic dust cup on its later Electrik Brooms [probably late 1960's early 1970's]. So users could see the dirt in the cup for dumping.
So it is settled, Regina fathered the clear dust cup and Dyson fathered the clear cyclonic collector. Today manufactures have and will continue to profit perhaps in the hundreds of millions of dollars by copying James’ clear cyclonic collector innovation. Is the Regina dust cup being copied or nearly exactly copied by many (as Dyson competitors are doing to Dyson)?
Also Lewyt canisters, which were bagless and then went bagged in the mid 1950's, used a paper bag called the Speed Sak that had a clear see thru panel that extended the entire length of the bag. So users didn't have to quess if the bag needed to be replaced. Most if not all of the floor washers and scrubbers of the 1960's and 1970's used clear/cloudy see thru plastic water tanks so users could see the levels of clean/dirty water solutions. Name brand canisters in the 1970's, like Sears, used clear see thru plastic covers for the tops of the on-board tool storage so users could see that all the tools were present and properly stored. The application of clear/see-thru floorcare bins, bags, tanks and covers is not unique to any particular vacuum brand, make, and/or model like dyson/dyson bagless vacuums. Their usage has a long and storied history in the vacuum/floorcare industry in the USA dating back several
…But “the suits” weren’t smart enough or inventive enough to see profits in making a clear cyclonic container. The “suits” were too busy dictating to the public what their definition of innovation was. And not profiting from bag sales, turned out to be way to much for the inventive inept “suits” to get their heads around. DIB
|
CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #70 Apr 3, 2008 8:32 pm |
|
DIB: My response was not to prove/disprove a maker's first and unique use of a particular technology/feature and/or application thereof. I named a few that came to mind and have since thought of others. The vacuum industry is over 100 years old. Most of the vacuum features and technology over the years have been used, reused, copied, improved, expanded, embellished and fine tuned. That's what happens over time. It's called progress. The first map of the world was based on the best knowledge and technology gathered by the persons who explored and made maps at the time. We don't hold onto them forever. Over time the knowledge increases, the technology improves and the maps get better and are improved. We don't keep and use the same maps for tradition's sake. We make and use better maps based on more definitive information and experience of the persons who came after. Vacuums are the same. They get better over time in form and function. We would be foolish to think that a decades old EUREKA Whirlwind bagless is the best for today's environment and better than what has come after. Carmine D.
This message was modified Apr 3, 2008 by CarmineD
|
DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #71 Apr 3, 2008 10:29 pm |
|
Hello Carmine, . Understood! In the past you have been on the anti-Dyson war-path and have even come after me or others who enjoy Dyson’s accomplishments. Glad this was not one of those times. Hearing you write Mr. Dyson versus jadee or “Big Bird” has been a nice change too. Challenges, although, is what keeps things interesting. Keep the challenges coming. . The NIH attitude form vacuum manufactures has hurt themselves for sure. . Take a look at 2 very old cyclonic separators and vacuums. In particular, the 2 stage train vacuum filtration was most advanced. Here and here. DIB
This message was modified Apr 3, 2008 by DysonInventsBig
|
CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #72 Apr 4, 2008 7:45 am |
|
DIB: EUREKA has moved away from the clear plastic see-thru dirt bins. The latest EUREKA Capture models which are now a year old use plastic dirt bins that are tinted colors to compliment the colors of the vacuum. Still see thru and functional. I personally like this feature from an appearance point of view. Tinted matching colors are much more pleasing to the eye than the unsightly dirty clear plastic dirt bins. I would imagine most vacuum buyers and users would agree with me. Retailers too. How long will it be for other vacuum brands to follow EUREKA's lead? http://www.eureka.com/ Carmine D.
This message was modified Apr 4, 2008 by CarmineD
|
mole
.
Location: earth
Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #73 Apr 4, 2008 10:05 am |
|
WOW,im impressed,tinted bins,what will they think of next. , how about an onboard am/fm 12 disc cd player with a gps system just so you know where the housecleaner is at all times.Would it come with ONSTAR free for 1 year?. Question for the day,how come it takes 3 months to get a telescopic wand for an oxygen,im sure that the customer must be thrilled to death about not being able to use her vacuum for 3 months.............. CUSTOMER SERVICE IS NOW WORSE THAN EVER,DOES ANYONE IN THIS BUSINESS CARE ANYMORE,OR IS IT JUST GET THE MONEY AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SCAM...................... MOLE............................................................
|
CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #74 Apr 4, 2008 12:21 pm |
|
Hello Mole: Sounds dismal. I would never let a regular customer wait 3 months for a part. NEVER. I'd sooner take it off another one of mine and accomodate the customer while I waited for the parts. I can honestly say in the 40 plus years of vacuum business [including a warranty EUREKA dealer] I never waited that long for a part. NEVER. A few weeks back order delay was the tops. I always had parts in stock, especially wands, to carry me over during the wait time. Carmine D.
|
DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454
|
|
Re: Dyson DC22
Reply #76 Mar 19, 2009 10:17 pm |
|
My neighbor was kind enough to translate (best as possible) the wording on this DC22 packaging (below). DIB 1) 30 times better (filtering) than any cyclone vacuum. 2) Motorhead does not slow down vs.a turbine nozzle. 3) Updated Root with Core separator. 4) “About” 7 years, you do not have to touch filter for 7 years. 5) 2 yr. warrantee. < This and other DC22 pics from a Japanese blog (while on blog, click pics to enlarge). Here. Here is a year old post, where I asked my Japanese neighbor to translate from the Dyson packaging... [up to] 7 years until filter (pre-filter) cleaning. DIB
This message was modified Mar 19, 2009 by DysonInventsBig
|
|
|