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Trilobite


Joined: Nov 7, 2007
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The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Original Message   Mar 23, 2008 10:12 pm

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First upright from Miele

29 February 2008

This summer, Miele will launch its first range of upright vacuum cleaners – the S7.

 It will consist of about six models, all of which feature ultra large dust bags and

 “a unique swivel body, which makes it easy to manoeuvre in even the trickiest

 of room layouts”. According to the company,  the decision was made following

 numerous requests from customers that wanted to buy Miele  but would only use

 an upright model.

Text: courtesy ERTweekly.com

Picture: courtesy Miele.co.uk, 2009

Edited 21st March 2009; reason: loss of original image.

This message was modified Mar 20, 2009 by Trilobite
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #481   Apr 2, 2009 9:23 am
CarmineD wrote:
Sure, and I did already here for her benefit.  It's probably part of the 'filler' you did not want to read.

First, I said the S7 Salsa is not the best suited for her needs.  I never said it was not good.  Little different.

Second, at the bag usage rate already discussed here by the user, she will, at the current cost of bags, pay about $100 a year for disposable bags.  By her own admission, she hopes to have the vacuum 8-10 years.  Do the math for bags over the life of the vacuum.

Third, add to the cost for normal maintenance items and repairs needed.  MOLE was kind enough to elaborate.  You did too.  What is the cost of a cord set from an authorized MIELE dealer for the S7?  $130.  Indies like MOLE can do it cheaper, I'll bet.  Be that as it may, the cost of the purchase of the S7 [$600] will more than double/triple over the useful life.  Usually, consumer goods depreciate/get amortize over their useful life.   Not in this particular case.

BTW, my opinion is not the only.  Our forum moderator says the same.  He would never have recommended this S7as a choice.  [Probably more filler you missed].

Carmine D.



So, what would you recommend?
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #482   Apr 2, 2009 11:43 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Seems like you are still the book of knowledge on vacuums.  That is more useful than opinions.

CarmineD wrote:
Knowledege itself is useless, unless and until it is applied correctly and properly, through one's opinions.  All MH's, and others' vacuum knowledge, is of little benefit to others unless they share here with us by way of opinions. 

Carmine D.


Declaring "MH's or others" knowledge (of facts) to be an opinion is your opinion and a oxymoron.

I believe MH through out some facts (aka knowledge) that were not known here otherwise.

DIB


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #483   Apr 2, 2009 12:24 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
So, what would you recommend?


Not a MIELE S7.  What I recommend is irrelevant at this point and a moot point.  But if you want to know read the rest of the thread.  I addressed it already.  If the user is happy with the choice of the Salsa and wants to keep it, that's her prerogative and not mine.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #484   Apr 2, 2009 12:26 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
Declaring "MH's or others" knowledge (of facts) to be an opinion is your opinion and a oxymoron.

I believe MH through out some facts (aka knowledge) that were not known here otherwise.

DIB



Actually, DIB on these points I agree with you.  Now if you can end my confusion on the clutchless/brushroll saga of  DC27, I would be much obliged.

Carmine D.

Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #485   Apr 2, 2009 12:47 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Sure, and I did already here for her benefit.  It's probably part of the 'filler' you did not want to read.

First, I said the S7 Salsa is not the best suited for her needs.  I never said it was not good.  Little different.

Second, at the bag usage rate already discussed here by the user, she will, at the current cost of bags, pay about $100 a year for disposable bags.  By her own admission, she hopes to have the vacuum 8-10 years.  Do the math for bags over the life of the vacuum.

Third, add to the cost for normal maintenance items and repairs needed.  MOLE was kind enough to elaborate.  You did too.  What is the cost of a cord set from an authorized MIELE dealer for the S7?  $130.  Indies like MOLE can do it cheaper, I'll bet.  Be that as it may, the cost of the purchase of the S7 [$600] will more than double/triple over the useful life.  Usually, consumer goods depreciate/get amortize over their useful life.   Not in this particular case.

BTW, my opinion is not the only.  Our forum moderator says the same.  He would never have recommended this S7as a choice.  [Probably more filler you missed].

Carmine D.


I don't see how cord replacement would factor into the equation of "normal maintenance items".  Unless it is repeatedly run over, chewed by the dog, or used to pull the machine around, there's no reason the cord shouldn't last the life of the machine.  Potential customer abuse adds hundreds to the initial purchase price in repairs for *any* machine, so this shouldn't just apply to Miele. 

I did notice how it would cost $100 per year in bags alone to operate this machine.  For that, I only have one thing to say:  Why are bags best again?

That being said, my final question is, are you saying you would recommend a Dyson to Catlady based on its extremely low operating cost, if any at all? 

-MH
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Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #486   Apr 2, 2009 12:54 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Actually, DIB on these points I agree with you.  Now if you can end my confusion on the clutchless/brushroll saga of  DC27, I would be much obliged.

Carmine D.


I was going to put this in the DC27 thread but since you asked I'll put it here.  It's as simple as this:  The US version of the DC27 has two motors with a brushroll shut-off switch right next to the on/off switch (think DC17).  The UK version on the other hand, has a completely different brushroll with the clutch setup.

There are no DC27s sold here with the clutch.
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Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #487   Apr 2, 2009 12:55 pm
Also, just an FYI in case I didn't clarify this in my earlier post.  The cord on the Miele S7 cannot be replaced in the handle; $140 is for the entire cord, handle, and switch assembly.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #488   Apr 2, 2009 1:09 pm
I see MH that your absence has not altered your proclivity to 'fence.'  Congrats.  I'm happy to say, mine either.  At this point, I have no more answers/recommendations for the user [let alone you who is impressed with the Bolero, as you should be].  The MIELE S7 is IMMER BESSER.  But not for all users.  We here can offer advice and suggestions [opinions] to prospective buyers and owners in need of asistance.  It's up to the buyers/vacuum owners to make the final decisions and/or take the advice to heart and follow.  Once they have, it's ancient history.  CAn't change the outcome/result.  But, if you want to know more about the ancient history here, read the thread.  You may even get an answer about a chewed up MIELE cordset, which is extremely likely in this case even for a dyson and/or any corded vacuum used in this buyer's home.  I'm thinking more than just bagless. 

Sadly, for this user, the MIELE S7 Salsa, save the motor, will be shortly out of parts warranty, despite it's relatively new sales birth.  Not good for a daily user, even an IMMER BESSER MIELE. 

Carmine D. 

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #489   Apr 2, 2009 1:14 pm
Motorhead wrote:
I was going to put this in the DC27 thread but since you asked I'll put it here.  It's as simple as this:  The US version of the DC27 has two motors with a brushroll shut-off switch right next to the on/off switch (think DC17).  The UK version on the other hand, has a completely different brushroll with the clutch setup.

There are no DC27s sold here with the clutch.


Now I'm really confused.  You're saying there are 2 DC27 models.  One with the clutch and one without?  Interesting.  Dyson hasn't updated either Web site, UK/USA, with the model.  How can you say with such certainty that the 2 same models are different?  Fact/opinion?

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #490   Apr 2, 2009 1:19 pm
Motorhead wrote:

That being said, my final question is, are you saying you would recommend a Dyson to Catlady based on its extremely low operating cost, if any at all? 

-MH



Again, if you read the thread, you'll learn why Melanie ruled out dysons. 

Carmine D.

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