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Trilobite


Joined: Nov 7, 2007
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The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Original Message   Mar 23, 2008 10:12 pm

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First upright from Miele

29 February 2008

This summer, Miele will launch its first range of upright vacuum cleaners – the S7.

 It will consist of about six models, all of which feature ultra large dust bags and

 “a unique swivel body, which makes it easy to manoeuvre in even the trickiest

 of room layouts”. According to the company,  the decision was made following

 numerous requests from customers that wanted to buy Miele  but would only use

 an upright model.

Text: courtesy ERTweekly.com

Picture: courtesy Miele.co.uk, 2009

Edited 21st March 2009; reason: loss of original image.

This message was modified Mar 20, 2009 by Trilobite
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #469   Mar 31, 2009 8:07 pm
Welcome back MH.  Seems like you are still the book of knowledge on vacuums.  That is more useful than opinions.

Diamond status must be awarded on sales of units  with no consideration of service quality performed by Meile dealers.

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #470   Mar 31, 2009 8:08 pm
Motorhead wrote:
. . . On the electronic models with this setting, the machine automatically slows down when the stretch hose is fully extended, preventing the hose from collapsing and the machine from either being pulled into you or knocked over.  Anyone who is looking at the S7 should definitely choose the electronic controls over the dial-equipped models, you won't regret it. 

What you may or may not realize is that there is NO formal repair training for Miele dealers, nor is there an official service manual for any model whatsoever!  All that is given in the way of repair documentation is an exploded parts diagram, and that's IT.  For any sort of repairs you are expected to call Miele Technical Support and have them guide you through the repair.  Or, in the case of the repair shop you took your machine to, start removing screws or prying, and hope for the best.  One other interesting thing I noticed repair-wise was that if the cord goes bad, is damaged, etc., the ENTIRE handle/cord/switch assembly must be replaced.  The cord cannot simply be removed and replaced separately.  Direct from Miele, this assembly is around $70, with a $139 retail price tag.  I can only imagine someone bringing their 3-month-old S7 in with a chewed-up cord, and their reaction to having to shell out $150 to replace it.

MH

Hey Motorhead,

How are you? Thanks for the heads-up about the S7 cord. I remember telling myself how simple things were when I got my Tango home and set it up with nary a screw or screwdriver to bother with.

The S7 automatic setting threw me a little as I have been trying to logic the reason for the speed decrease. Motor speed is reduced if hose suction is restricted - such as when you attach the crevice tool. In my Kenmore Iridium, the exact opposite happens. The motor runs at at mid-speed when set on automatic. An internal dust sensor ups the motor speed when it senses a significant amount of dirt and dust and lets the speed drop once the sensor is not finding anything. Motor speed also elevates if airflow is restricted. I use the S7 both ways but do leave it on the automatic setting most of the time.

As for the repair issue -- I can appreciate how confusing things might have been for the shop as it takes a really close look to learn that the hose cuff does come off the little swivel neck. What surprised me is that no one thought to ask. The call would have been toll free. It worked out great that Melanie got a whole new vacuum but the problem could have been simply solved by just thinking a little.

MOLE has mentioned some potential trouble spots and the guy I'd been speaking with mentioned possible trouble due to users over-turning the two screws on the cover for the clean-out port. Anything else besides the cord to pay attention to?

Best,

Venson
Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #471   Mar 31, 2009 11:39 pm
Hi Hardsell,

Correct.  Diamond Dealer Status involves maintaining a yearly sales figure of $100,000 or more.  Which, to the uninitiated like me, I don't see how it can be attainable, but stranger things happen!
Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #472   Mar 31, 2009 11:51 pm
Hi Venson,

Thanks, it's good to be back!  Interesting about the speed increase on the Iridium, I'm trying to think of other cleaners whose automatic settings work opposite of the S7.  Miele canisters if I recall are the same way; any restriction in airflow and the motor speeds up.  I may be wrong but I'm almost convinced the speed decrease is because of the stretch hose.  I also heard about the vulnerability of the cleanout port; I saw this on the Bolero as well.  It seemed almost too easy to overturn the latch screws, thinking they loosen normally, and break the cover.  I wonder if Miele will correct this potential weakness in the future?   Should be interesting to see.

-MH
This message was modified Mar 31, 2009 by Motorhead
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #473   Apr 1, 2009 7:53 am
Motorhead wrote:
Hi Venson,

Thanks, it's good to be back! 
-MH


Hope it's not an April Fool's ploy and you'll soon be gone!  Good to hear from you here again.  Glad you are impressed with your MIELE Bolero.  IMMER BESSER!

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #474   Apr 1, 2009 7:54 am
Motorhead wrote:
Hi Hardsell,

Correct.  Diamond Dealer Status involves maintaining a yearly sales figure of $100,000 or more.  Which, to the uninitiated like me, I don't see how it can be attainable, but stranger things happen!



According to MIELE, one million new vacuums are shipped from the plant in Germany every year. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #475   Apr 1, 2009 7:58 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Seems like you are still the book of knowledge on vacuums.  That is more useful than opinions.


Knowledege itself is useless, unless and until it is applied correctly and properly, through one's opinions.  All MH's, and others' vacuum knowledge, is of little benefit to others unless they share here with us by way of opinions. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #476   Apr 1, 2009 12:25 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Knowledege itself is useless, unless and until it is applied correctly and properly, through one's opinions.  All MH's, and others' vacuum knowledge, is of little benefit to others unless they share here with us by way of opinions. 

Carmine D.



You already know that opinions are like part of our anatomy.  My opinion is that a $700 vac should have a longer warranty.  Fact is it doesn't. Which will go farther in getting a repair? My opinion or a written warranty.  Before you start with your opinions I know that there are exceptions.

The dealer repaired catlady's vacuum incorrectly by using his opinion on how to replace the hose.  Knowledge could easily have prevented all her problems.

Oh yeah.  Opinions can and often are biased.  Facts and knowledge are not.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #477   Apr 1, 2009 1:31 pm
The fact is that I said here several times that it is my opinion the MIELE S7 is not the best suited vacuum for this user.  My opinion is based on the facts and circumstances of her household cleaning needs and experiences with her MIELE and the dealer and company up to now.  As I also said, I hope my opinion now is wrong and does prove a fact later.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
Reply #478   Apr 1, 2009 1:43 pm
The fact is too MIELE replaced the customer's MIELE with a brand new one that is noew $150 more than the price of the original 10 months ago. 

The fact is for 107 years MIELE uses the slogan IMMER BESSER, an opinion then that many today, you and MOLE excluded [always exceptions] believe to be fact.

Carmine D.

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