Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The Dyson DC22 canister was very recently introduced in Japan. I have heard that this will make it to the US market in order to expand their canister range.

Key Features:

-Root Cyclone with Core Separation
-Dyson Digital Motor
-Stowaway Design
-Motorhead
-Pre filter rinse once every seven years

Hey Tom/M.H. do you agree that dysons attachments are absolute junk compared to Miele/aerus/electrolux/bosch/ sebo/lindhaus.How many times have you told Jimmy that to be a player in the high end can market they better step it up with excellent attachments.899.00 ?I'm sure these must really be flying off the dealers shelves.

MOLE

mole wrote:
Please stop referring to me as Tom, as I said that is not my name and I do not appreciate it.  Thank you.

When it comes right down to it, no one really uses their small attachments anymore.  That's part of the reason why the small attachments on most vacuums today have become so chintzy in the first place, though there are a few exceptions like you said.  Dyson already has a good crevice tool and an EXCELLENT bare floor tool (with staggered-row bristles in the front reminiscent of a 1950's Kenmore bare floor tool), and that's really all that is used for normal cleaning.  Nowadays when people want to vacuum their upholstery, they either use a small powered hand tool or put the full-sized power nozzle on the couch or chair, and if they want to dust, they generally don't dust with the vacuum and use a cloth or disposable duster instead.  I haven't once *touched* the dusting brush or upholstery tool on my DC21; there's never been a need to so the quality of those doesn't matter to me.

As to your comment about the DC23s flying off dealers' shelves, my answer to that is they can't fly off the shelves as they're not even *on* the shelves yet

-MH

I've inspected the DC22 (UK) both models. First thing I will say is how heavy it is for the size it is!  Even with out the wand wrapped around it!  Very small, samller than the DC05 (UK) from years back, but slightly wider in width but smaller in length!

Both models have plastic tubes on the telescope wand, not sure if I personally like this, prefer the wand on the other models. Although looking at the pictures on this post the Japan model doesn't use plastic tubes!  There is a new air driven brush/turbo head

like the Japan but with normal brushes on the brush bar!  The nozzle pivots slighly like the upright models do (DC07/DC14). The animal comes with a new small version of this too.  The base model has a small version of the new 'flat out tool'.  Both modles have the root and core technology.  On opening up the bin the

root and core cyclones both share one big rubber gasket seal but the collection for both is separated. The Shroud filter is very close to the out bin container unlike other models.  This range also uses a slight wider diameter hose than previous dyson canisters. 

Another thing which has been commented on is the hose connection tot he wand is fixed and does nto pivot like previous models!   I do think Dyson should have used the DDM on the UK version of this!

Not had a change to use one yet but I have the new DC24 and 25 which I will post details on the DC24/25 thread!

DC18

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Here is James Dyson’s dual cyclone w/clear bin U.S. patent - filed in 1984.

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Here and below is my Fantom Capture upright/dry shampooer, James’ 1^st licensed American dual cyclonic w/clear bin and

U.S. patent - filed in 1988.   It is my understanding that no other manufacturer pre-dates James’ clear bin.  A clear sight glass yes, a clear bin no.

If any collectors know of any clear binned vacuum that pre-dates James’ clear bin I’d like to see it (post here).        DIB

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Note:  Amway using Bissell as a manufacturer stole James' dual cyclonic and had on the U.S. market in 1990

(per James Dyson autobiography – “Against the Odds”)  Read of it here

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DC18 wrote:

Carmine,

Here is James Dyson’s dual cyclone w/clear bin U.S. patent - filed in 1984.

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Here and below is my Fantom Capture upright/dry shampooer, James’ 1^st licensed American dual cyclonic w/clear bin and

U.S. patent - filed in 1987.   It is my understanding that no other manufacturer pre-dates James’ clear bin.  A clear sight glass yes, a clear bin no.

If any collectors know of any clear binned vacuum that pre-dates James’ clear bin I’d like to see it (post here).        DIB

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Note:  Amway using Bissell as a manufacturer stole James' dual cyclonic and had on the U.S. market in 1990

(per James Dyson autobiography – “Against the Odds”)  Read of it here

Hello DIB:

Eureka's first bagless upright, called the Whirlwind "cyclonic" 

that was mass marketed in the USA was a single cyclone, not dual cyclone

like dyson.

WRT to the first clear dust bin, I mentioned recently that Regina used a

clear plastic dust cup on its later Electrik Brooms [probably late 1960's early 1970's]. 

So users could see the dirt in the cup for dumping.

Also Lewyt canisters, which were bagless and then went bagged in the

mid 1950's, used a paper bag called the Speed Sak that had a clear see thru panel

that extended the entire length of the bag.  So users didn't have to quess if

the bag needed to be replaced.  

Most if not all of the floor washers and scrubbers of the 1960's and 1970's used clear/cloudy

see thru plastic water tanks so users could see the levels of clean/dirty water

solutions.

Name brand canisters in the 1970's, like Sears, used clear see thru plastic covers for the tops

of the on-board tool storage so users could see that all the tools were present and properly

stored.

The application of clear/see-thru floorcare bins, bags, tanks and covers is not unique

to any particular vacuum brand, make, and/or model like dyson/dyson bagless vacuums.  Their

usage has a long and storied history in the vacuum/floorcare industry in the USA dating

back several decades before Mr. Dyson.

Carmine D.

Hi bucks03

Not sure what plastic Dyson is using on the DC22 to be honest.  I don't like the look of the telescope wand when it is extended, the platic makes it look 'cheap'!!

DC18

Hello DIB:

Eureka's first bagless upright, called the Whirlwind "cyclonic" 

that was mass marketed in the USA was a single cyclone, not dual cyclone

like dyson.

 

Carmine,

Re: Whirlwind Cyclonic.  Since Eureka abandoned it, it must be assumed as a mechanical failure.  It filtered probably no better than today’s so called bagless cyclonic, Dyson-looking but not Dyson-filtering vacuums.

 

WRT to the first clear dust bin, I mentioned recently that Regina used a

clear plastic dust cup on its later Electrik Brooms [probably late 1960's early 1970's]. 

So users could see the dirt in the cup for dumping.

 

So it is settled, Regina fathered the clear dust cup and Dyson fathered the clear cyclonic collector.

Today manufactures have and will continue to profit perhaps in the hundreds of millions of dollars

by copying James’ clear cyclonic collector innovation.  Is the Regina dust cup being copied

or nearly exactly copied by many (as Dyson competitors are doing to Dyson)?

 

Also Lewyt canisters, which were bagless and then went bagged in the

mid 1950's, used a paper bag called the Speed Sak that had a clear see thru panel

that extended the entire length of the bag.  So users didn't have to quess if

the bag needed to be replaced.  

Most if not all of the floor washers and scrubbers of the 1960's and 1970's used clear/cloudy

see thru plastic water tanks so users could see the levels of clean/dirty water

solutions.

Name brand canisters in the 1970's, like Sears, used clear see thru plastic covers for the tops

of the on-board tool storage so users could see that all the tools were present and properly

stored.

The application of clear/see-thru floorcare bins, bags, tanks and covers is not unique

to any particular vacuum brand, make, and/or model like dyson/dyson bagless vacuums.  Their

usage has a long and storied history in the vacuum/floorcare industry in the USA dating back several

 

…But “the suits” weren’t smart enough or inventive enough to see profits in making a clear cyclonic container. 

The “suits” were too busy dictating to the public what their definition of innovation was.  And not profiting from bag sales,

turned out to be way to much for the inventive inept “suits” to get their heads around.        DIB

DIB:

My response was not to prove/disprove a maker's first and unique use of

a particular technology/feature and/or application thereof.  I named a few that

came to mind and have since thought of others.  The vacuum industry

is over 100 years old.  Most of the vacuum features and technology over the

years have been used, reused, copied, improved, expanded, embellished

and fine tuned.  That's what happens over time.  It's called progress.

The first map of the world was based on the best knowledge and technology

gathered by the persons who explored and made maps at the time.  We don't hold

onto them forever.  Over time the knowledge increases, the technology improves and

the maps get better and are improved.  We don't keep and use the same maps for tradition's sake.

We make and use better maps based on more definitive information and experience of the persons

who came after.  Vacuums are the same.  They get better over time in form and function.  We would

be foolish to think that a decades old EUREKA Whirlwind bagless is the best for today's environment

and better than what has come after.  

Carmine D.

 

Hello Carmine,

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Understood!  In the past you have been on the anti-Dyson war-path and have even come after me or others who enjoy Dyson’s accomplishments.

Glad this was not one of those times.  Hearing you write Mr. Dyson versus jadee or “Big Bird” has been a nice change too.

Challenges, although, is what keeps things interesting.  Keep the challenges coming.

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The NIH attitude form vacuum manufactures has hurt themselves for sure.

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Take a look at 2 very old cyclonic separators and vacuums.  In particular, the 2 stage train vacuum filtration was most advanced.  Here and here.        DIB