Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The Dyson DC22 canister was very recently introduced in Japan. I have heard that this will make it to the US market in order to expand their canister range.

Key Features:

-Root Cyclone with Core Separation
-Dyson Digital Motor
-Stowaway Design
-Motorhead
-Pre filter rinse once every seven years

O.K. Carmine i understand,,we can only guess as to why they keep playing around with their set ups,2 reasons could be that 

1 they are just spending R@D money to keep the engineers busy.

2 or just cant figure out why this revolutionary [so called], system just does not  work for real customers in real homes in the real world...........

MOLE

mole wrote:

Mole:

Apparently, dyson slightly reduced/reclassified the job positions of its engineers

since the number has decreased a tad over time.  My sense is that your latter reason is correct. 

Try as it does dyson just can't get the right bagless application.

IMHO that's the reason for the major rethinking/revision in the dyson filter maintenance. 

As long as the warranty was 2 years, it wasn't an issue.  A nebulous passing word of instruction

was adequate.  Saying that cleaning once is enough every 5-6 months unless heavy duty use. 

But with the 5 year dyson warranty, users MUST perform more frequent filter care [read maintenance]

to ensure the 5 years.  And more frequent washings degrade the pre-motor filter performance. 

Meaning more filter replacements over 5 years.  Which are not covered under the warranty.  What do the

filters cost?  $18 plus tax?

What is the advantage of bagless over bagged?  Instead of buying bags, the bagless

users [dyson too] are buying and replacing filters.  And bin dumping more often than changing paper bags.

Plus paying a premium high up front price for it.

Carmine D.

Hi

I have't contacted Dyson with regards to the big shroud design.  I doubt they will disclose why (look at their website) I can't say i'm impressed with the information on their, their brochures don't really go into deils now either.  Dyson used to produce big brochures with quite a bit of info in them the latter ones are only pocket sized booklets with hardly info info in them.

Like I've siad before I am not that keen on the latest generation of machine, they may be more studier but just don't think they have the wow factor now, maybe due to the darker colours!  I dunno why exactly I take a dislike to the newer ones.

I tried out a DC25 in the shop it has a rather set of pathetic cleaning tools as do most of the latest Dyson models, a very small stair tool and brush crevice, unlike the larger more substatial ones on the older modals and again, the SMALL bin capacity which I know will cause inconvencience to some having to empty this halfway through vacuuming their homes, unless Dyson wants the user to vacuum everyday so there is less dirt picked up??

The only reason I can think of why the shroud in bigger on the DC22/23 is due to the new cyclone technology, root plus core seperater.  The root cyclones have there own dust collection and so will the core seperator which all fits inside the the shroud filter. If you think back to the Dual cyclone

there was only ever the cone that sat inside the which was not that big.  Then on the root cyclone again between 7/12 cyclones (depending on the models) that where angled to fit simular size on the cone on the dual.  Now we have 3 stages the shroud has been made bigger to accommerdate

the root and core technology.  Thats my view as to why the shround may be bigger.

I have to agree the bin capacity has come down alot (I can understand for the DC22/24 as they are small models).  The DC25 cound have been at least 2 to 3 litre bin without putting too much extra weight on the machine, after all this modle is for the larger home!   Like bucks03 say the plastic

on later models does look cheap.  The DC23 wand (which I saw in the shops) is not the usually shiney plastic like on the DC21/20 its dull and looks a bit cheap.  Yes I had a new nozzle for my DC05 a few years ago and the metal soleplate had been replaced with plastic.  Standards do not

seem to be carried over to newer models, take the metal soleplate on the DC15.  No where to be found on the DC18/24/25 models.  I agree with you DIB Dyson sometimes does over engineer in places. 

DC18

I happened to see the Dyson Baby (DC22) on display at a store the other day, so went on over to take a closer look. It's certainly smaller than the other Dyson canisters, but hrmmm... not as small as I'd like and presumably not as small as the DC12? Why is this? Has it fallen victim to the root cyclone 'arms race' where more visible cyclones is seen as a good thing? Pffft.. soon it'll be as getting bad as Gillette are with razor blades! Also, the DC22 doesn't  have Core separator - I think?

I noticed what buck03 was saying about the inner part of the wand being plastic, not aluminium. Again, I'd love to know why this is. I guess it's either 1)reduce costs and/or 2)improve reliability but either way it looks cheap in comparison.

Still, not a bad vac and there's nothing else quite like it at the top end. I'm in the progress of moving house at the moment, but I'll likely be looking to buy one in time.

I like the new metallic styling... I'll wasn't too sure of it to begin with, but it makes it look a lot more substantial. I noticed that the other brands (Electrolux) are starting to copy it. Just as in the beginning, they laughed at Dyson's 'crazy' yellow and grey styling, then copied it.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

Hope all is well with you and yours.

The first bagless upright in the USA

that was yellow and grey and used the moniker

"cyclonic' on the machine is the EUREKA

Whirlwind.  It predates dyson's DC07 by a good

number of years here and there.  EUREKA didn't

sue dyson for copying. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Vortex type suction machines have been using the phrase cyclonic to describe their patent claims since the late 1800's/early 1900's.

Eureka should do everything possible to protect its assets, patents and trademarks from attacks.  The Eureka “Cyclonic” Trademark, can you produce it? 

.

I have the very short (complete or near complete) list of the lawsuits Dyson has filed since launching the DC07 here in the U.S.  Today and in the past you’ve indicated James Dyson is lawsuit hungry.  Can you produce these lawsuits?        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

The first time EUREKA used the yellow and grey colors

was in the early 50's with the Model 910 Roto-Matic.  Old-timers

in the vacuum business recall this canister model.  EUREKA

allowed a free in home trial for customers.  EUREKA's written claim was

it had tremendous suction: 71 cubic feet of air per minute.  According to

EUREKA: " It actually moves far more air than similar cleaners-a true

measure of real cleaning power." Used paper bags in a cloth.

Carmine D.

Hello DIB:

The EUREKA bagless Whirlwind uses

a clear bin too.  So users could see the dirt

and swirling suction action.  Sound familiar?

I believe dyson did the same following EUREKA's

lead.

What do you know about the Kenneth J. versus dyson

lawsuit over the vacuum ball facilitator?  Now that's

an interesting case.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

 

Well I was not expecting a respectful reply, thank you.  Indeed I like a good challenge or strong opinion when it is delivered with respect.

I’ll put some thoughts down and well get back on and off (hopefully) today or tomorrow.        DIB