Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

I think it looks quite cute.  I can't believe I'm saying that about a vacuum cleaner.  I saw it in shops and liked the look of it but its too small for a whole clean.  It isn't designed for that I suppose.

I saw the DC24 in the shops yesterday - it looks good and certainly stands out alongside the other bagless vac clones.

As mentioned, a sticker on the cyclone unit reminds you to check the filter every 1month... is this because with the reduced bin size, there's more chance of the user overfilling?

I like the multi-purpose bin release / trapdoor switch - simple and effective.

What is the big deal about checking / changing a filter.  If it is not getting dirty it is not performing it's job.  Does anyone change the oil and air folter on their auto?

Has anyone ever cleaned the filter on a Hoover.  This is the worst ever, however our pro doesn't want this mentioned.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hi Hardsell,

No, there's really not much to making  filter checks but most unfortunately the larger part of owners appear to think that vacuum cleaners take care of themselves just like brooms.  (They don't know there are care rules for brooms either.) They won't empty bags or notice clogs until the machine either doesn't pick up well or at all -- not a good thing -- and as for filters this seldom crosses the mind of the average user until -- again -- something crucial happens.  This is why repair shops are full.

When a pitch is being made regarding just about any brand of bagless vacuum what is stressed is that all you have to do is walk over to a trrash can and dump it.  I have never heard much regarding the negatives -- the dust raised in the process of emptying, the fluff that gets caught on the shroud requiring removal by hand -- mentioned.  Of all things, filter maintenance is the last thing mentioned.  I've encountered numerous buyers who think bagless means absolutely no maintenance other than dumping out the bin.  Worse yet, there seems to be no line of logic that leads them to see otherwise.

The hope is that the better bagless machines and even bagged ones are being made as "user proof" as possiblle.  The only thing they've come up with so far iis the thermal overload switch.

Best,

Venson

As much as I like and respect James, he seems at times to over react in an attempt to fix problems.  Dyson, at present is being sued by Oreck, and was just sued by Hoover.  Oreck states Dyson’s do clog and is suing claiming this pitch hurt Oreck sales.  Oreck wants to collect money from James’ DC18 sales.  Getting sued in many countries can lead to an over reaction and an defensive position to the cleaning the pre-filter (and now HEPA).  Dyson needs to just stick a “time to clean your filter” indicator on all his great vacuums and the problem/s solved.  He is design guy and has a hard time (at times) making consumer friendly (dummy/worry free/child proof) tweaks.  Put an indicator on your vacuums Mr. Dyson, and you will put an end to the confusion and/or complaints and/or needless breakdowns.

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The DC24 looks to have a typical Dyson type HEPA (thickness and pleats) filter.  Overfilling past the “max line” on the bin, thereby dust loading the high efficiency filters/cyclones is real and plausible and leads to dirtying prematurely the pre-filter and then onto (dirt escaping) and passing onto and clogging the HEPA.  Who knows, perhaps this motor cranks out the rpm’s thereby putting out more carbon dust than what’s typical for James’ vacuums (it’s just a guess).

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Canister emptying and is it messy?  Well Dyson is suing Oreck over Oreck’s claim to just this and many other false advertisement claims (alleged by Dyson) that were made by Oreck when Oreck compare their XL21 (I think this is the number) to a Dyson DC14 in their infomercials and related marketing.  Read the directions and use a bag when empting your Dyson (Dyson says in the lawsuit) and eliminate much of the dust leaking when empting a bin.        DIB

HARDSELL wrote:

My Man:

In fact today, changed the oil, filter and air cleaner on the old Explorer XLT.  Yes Sir, still like to do it myself.  Especially here in the desert where it needs doing more often.

On the second point, HOOVER has a patent on a teflon coated bin filter.  Easier for the dust/dirt to fall off Allows washing with water.  Available in its least expensive bagless models, like the $100 EmPower.  Now that's a model that's been around since 2003 and still going strong.  Especially with Consumer Reports.

Carmine D.

I posted this picture only because I saw an earlier picture (from an online magazine) of a woman testing a DC24 and holding the vacuum above the floor (at her hip), just only so she could get enough reach to vacuum at ceiling height. – She was doing it incorrectly.  Remarkably, Dyson himself shows the proper way of using a hose and wand on the DC24 with its far reaching ability.  Well done!        DIB

DIB:

Thanks again for the photos, it does appear to be a user access port to get to the filter.

The photo of the cleaner next to James Dyson, makes the cleaner look like a child's toy.

I was wondering about the suction power rating for the DC24. It is supposed to be 100 airWatts. Would I be correct in thinking that lesser suction power excerts lower gravitational forces upon the dust particles, thus allowing more dust through to contaminate the pre-motor filters?

I wonder what electrical wattage the motor is, in this cleaner?

DIB:

Looking at James Dyson using the tools above the floor, the hose looks to be fully stretched, and a little on the short side. No use for cleaning a staircase.

Aha!!!

Just checked Currys.co.uk.

DC24 has 650 Watt motor, generating, apparently, 120 air Watts of suction power.

DC03 had a 700 Watt motor, achieving around 90 air Watts suction power.