Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

Only the DC22's equipped with the brushless motor have the pre filters that require cleaning every seven years. The DC22's equipped with standard brushed motors still rely on the 6-month cleaning intervals for the pre-filter.

As for the DC25, I am very disappointed to say the least, especially with the filtration system it was designed with. If you ask me, they should have directly carried the Level 3 Root Cyclone/collection canister from the DC17 (still the real flagship IMO) directly over to the DC25. But what do they do instead? They carried over an antiquated filtration system with a collection capacity that is less than half of previous Dyson models. The DC25 All Floors is going to be the most expensive base model upright in the range, so logically, it should be better in every way than it's lower numerically labeled stablemates. But no, it uses the same old cyclone tech, costs more, and holds less debris than it's full sized brethren. However, it does weigh only 16 pounds, and is easy to maneuver on a ball pivot...oh wait, the DC18 also weights 16 pounds and rolls on a ball pivot, can be had for around $420-$450, and technically holds more debris than the DC25, and only requires pre-filter maintenance every 6 months, not 3 like with the DC25.

I was hoping for a DC15 successor that would really showcase the best Dyson has to offer, but in this case, the DC25 is nothing more than a bloated DC18. For a company that prides itself with engineering and R&D, the DC25 is certainly several steps backwards. On the other hand, the new DC22 and DC23 canisters look to be big improvements over previous models, but there is no word on those being sold in the US...yet.

And while I'm airing by grievances, I would like to say that Dyson should drop the continuously building numerical naming scheme, and just develop several classes of products. I have in my mind what BMW does with their automobiles: 1/3/5/6/7 Series for their sedans and coupes, X3/X5/X6 for their SUV's, and Z4/Z8 for their coupe convertible roadsters. I would rather see an independent Ball range like B3 (DC24) B5 (DC18) and B7 (a proper DC25 designed the way I would prefer: DDM, Level 3, exchangeable brushrolls for different carpets). Then you would have your regular uprights: D3 (DC14), and D5 (DC17). Canister would be labeled as C3 (DC21), C5 (DC22), and C7 (DC23). With this line up, you will not see models disappear through discontinuation, only redesigned or revamped under a production cycle of, let's say, 1.5 to 2 years. Through this, you can also introduce new features and technology through newer models that would trickle down to lesser models once they are redesigned for their next generation product cycle.

Also, having established designations like D3 or C7 would let consumers see what models are in which end of the low to high end spectrum, and what product class they belong in. Some shoppers may go to best buy and think that a DC18 would be a better vacuum than the DC17 at deep cleaning, just because the numerical designation of the Slim model is one higher than the Absolute (which we all know is not true). Or maybe someone would think that the DC25 may be better machine than the DC17 because the number is higher; in this case, it doesn't make sense to compare a lighter weight, less aggressive Ball model to a more traditional model that deep cleans better and has a superior filtration system. That's why I think Dyson should establish fixed nameplates, and segregate different products in different classes to avoid confusion.

Dyson, like we were told by Tom Gasko and his drivel, was looking for the DC15 Ball to be his signature vacuum.  "The greater dyson," I believe Gasko called it.  It flopped.  It is a dud.

Dyson is still trying, as this subject name says, to bring his ball back. 

A DC18 can be bought now from Linens-n-Things for less than $400 WITH a $50 Gift Card.  Wait awhile and it will $100.  DC18, made and sold in 2007, ranked below the DC07 [almost 6 years old] but above the DC15 [3 years old]. 

Dyson has been slipping downward since 2004, probably its best year due to DC07 sales.  2005/6 was better because of higher dyson product prices and new market opportunities, like Canada.  But the last 2 factors are one time spikes. 

Dyson fans and followers are perplexed by the dyson differences among its products.  What do you think "average consumers" think?  I forgot.  They don't think.  They accept and follow the advice of their friends and family when they make purchases.  Word of mouth. 

Carmine D.

I have to say on inspecting the DC25 up close the bin could have been taller and wider in diameter.  But would this of added to overall weight!?  I would also say the DC15, DC18 and the new DC25 probably give the same performance.  The only advantage is the DC25 is lighter than the DC15 and less bulky.  Although the DC25 is cheaper than the DC15 was but the same price as when the DC18 was launched - £279.99. 

One thing to note is both the DC24 and DC25 have smaller cleaning nozzles than the standard models.  You could say the DC25 is a enlarged DC18, but the DC25 does move more smoothly than the DC18 due to the bigger ball.  There is no metal soleplate on these new models like the DC15 had, plus the 2 pivot point flexing nozzle head on the DC15 is not present on them either. 

If someone had to choose between the DC18 or DC25 apart from size to me underneath they are the same.  I think I would go for the DC18 due to it slim profile, but saying that the body of the cleaner feels heavier due to the upright mounted motor unlike the DC25 which is in the ball which is on the floor!

DC18 

CarmineD wrote:

Foreclosures are the result of greedy finance companies (the pros) and idiotic home buyers.  Sort of like a vac purchase from a lying vac pro.

CarmineD wrote:

I have called all my family and friends and invited them over for a vacuum party.  I am recording all vacuum commercials so we can watch them.  I have bought every magazine with a vacuum ad and will likely have these passed around as we praise the local vacuum shops who have so graciously screwed us.  Oddly they tell us that what they sell is the best.

Thanks for the idea carmine.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

It's not my idea.  It's Oreck's.  I can't take the credit.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Why does that not surprise me?  You know how the old saying goes, birds of a feather flock together...

CarmineD wrote:
I'm not an advocate of blindly following anyones advice no matter what the cost of purchase.  Different strokes for different folks.  What works or doesn't work for one person doesn't mean it'll be the same for me.

Motorhead wrote:

You consider it a privilege to know and "love" James in just a few short years of friendship.  I've known Dave for over 50 years.  He is an icon in the vacuum industry in the USA.  He and his vacuums pass the test of time.  He's probably the last of the best of the industry still around.  It is an honor and privilege to know him.  His children's children will call him blessed. 

The only feathers flocking around him are the ones that the dysons can't pick up in the match offs against ORECK.  Not to worry.  ORECK gets them up, contains securely for disposal in a huge paper bag, and leaves no feathers, dust and dirt behind.  Not in the air, on the vacuum or in the vacuum.  Simply Amazing.  More clean.  Less money.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Way to go.  I'd buy a vacuum from you.  Why?  You're honest and sincere.  Good qualities in the vacuum sales and service industry.

Carmine D.