Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

After much discussion and pondering and the infamous Oreck XL21 thread.  I finally bought a lightweight vacuum for my home.  I set out this weekend with all intentions of buying an Oreck.  On Saturday the man at the Oreck Clean Home Center was very plesant, he let me handle and try everything on display. He came off the price and re-arranged the packages for me as well as offered factory refurbished and reconditioned trades to help meet my budget.

I left the Oreck store positive I was coming back, but I wanted to take a look a the Simplicity Freedom before I made the final decision.  I went to the Sewing Center/Vacuum shop we have done business with all my life; and which my mother has done business with for over 60 years.  Unfortunately the salesman must have been short on commission and long on inventory this month as he was only interested in my wallet and not my needs.

I began by telling him what I was interested in, an Oreck, or Freedom lightweight vacuum for quick clean ups and low pile carpet in the basement and kitchen. I further explained that I had a good high power vacuum I was happy with for normal cleaning and this would be a complement not a replacement.

He immediately started to run down my main machine (BAD FIRST MOVE--we are attached to each other).  So with this move he began showing me the me the Simplicity Synergy Tandem Air (Weighing in at approximately 22 lbs and a cost of $1,479 plus trade). He poured sand on the floor, he pulled water up a column from a colored fish bowl, he hooked up hoses to hose with a shop vac.  He did everything but show me the Freedom.

When he finally got finished with dog and pony show he explained how unhappy I would be with the Freedom because I was used to power and for approximately the same amount of the Freedom he could sell me the Synergy's little brother which isn't tandem air but still is more powerful than a tornado in an outhouse.

I stood firm that I came in looking for the Freedom, but now he pretty much talked me out of anything.  This is when he shot me the wonderful low price for the Freedom of $579, which with my loyalty discount he would drop to $479 and take another $50 off with the coupon in the paper today so now it's $429 and would give me a years supply of bags to boot. Well with that wonderful deal how did I walk away you ask?  By slipping on my coat, zipping my daughter's coat and walking to the car.

I did think it over and decided that the Oreck was high priced, and he did offer me a factory refurb for $299 and still had a decent warranty.  My decision was an Oreck Ultra.  Monday I was off to the Oreck store, but before I went I decided to stop by the Vacuum shop one of the church members just opened on the west side.  I felt I owed it to him to stop in and even if I bought the Oreck from him I was supporting a fellow Catholic.  It just so happened when I walked in I found he sold higher end vacuums.  Melie, Sebo, Lindenhaus were all lined up in the window.  I found he also sold the Riccar line.  I told him what I wanted and what I wanted to do with it.  He listened to me and brought out a Riccar RSL4. There was no pressure, no comparing to other machines, no running anything down or trying to move me up in price. I took it home for $299, a year's worth of bags and he carried it to the car for me.  I will do a review of the vac itself in the review section.  

I will say that the buying experience at the Oreck Clean Home Center and the Independent vac shop was very pleasant.  If everyone could experience this kind of service, no one would buy at Wal-Mart again.  It is so refreshing to see this kind of service still exists. The experience at the Sewing Center/Vac Shop ws worse than a four hour home demo from the Filter Queen gestopo.  I doubt I will be doing business there in the future.

Congrats on the purchase.  Excellent choice.  Gorgeous color: Sapphire Blue, the same as the Oreck Classic I purchased in April 2007.  The latest in the RICCAR Supralite uprights.  Fantastic price.  [RICCAR The First Name in Vacuums That Last].  Should have a 2 year warranty too.  If what RICCAR says is true, cleans 40 percent better than an Oreck.  I believe it is made in St. James, Missouri.

The local RICCAR store in North Las Vegas is supposed to have the RSL4 very soon.  If I can buy it for the price you did, I will.

The latest Consumer Reports [March 2008] rates the RICCAR RSL3 number 3 overall for all the uprights tested.  Of course this is the earlier model than yours.  The RSL4 is brand spanking new.  The latest and the greatest.

Carmine D.

Congrats on your new purchase.  You picked a winner w/the Riccar.  They market very good machines.  Your Supralite is a very good upright, but when it comes to performance, it is not a lightweight by any means.  They do an excellent job on carpeting.  They even do a very good job on floors.  The cheaper models(w/o rubber squeezee) also do a fine job on floors.

A note, you can either use the white HEPA Filtration bags or the cheaper Microlined bags.  They both do well, but use the HEPA "clothlike" bags if heavy allergies are an issue for you.  The bags will take forever to fill before having to empty.  This, by no means, means that the vacuum is not picking up.  What it does mean is that the bags are very large and you will be using the Riccar as one of a few vacuum cleaners.

All vac shops are going to be different, because they are independently owned and operated.  You, as a consumer, have the right and choice to go to whichever place of business you choose.

CarmineD wrote:

The label on the hood proudly says in a large font "MADE IN AMERICA"  and then in very tiny,  I would say maybe a size 6 font , it says "with globally sourced parts".

I do love the color Sapphire blue, and the black bag really sets it off.  I liked the black bag because you can tell if any dust is leaking.  I haven't seen any, of course, I do vacuum regularly.  My white fluffy dog makes vacuuming, at least spot areas necessary several times a day.

One thing I will say that helped sway me towards the Riccar is the price of the bags.  The Hepa cloth bags are $14 for six, and the Enviropure bags are $12 for six.  Compared to the Oreck which are $24 for eight of the regulare bags and $39 for the Hepa cloth bags.  I leaned towards the Oreck for the 10 year warranty with 10 annual tune ups, however, for the price difference $200; I can buy my own belts.

I can't cut and paste on this board, but if you want to see this machine you can go to www.riccar.com

Just wrote:
The Hepa cloth bags are $14 for six, and the Enviropure bags are $12 for six. Compared to the Oreck which are $24 for eight of the regular bags and $39 for the Hepa cloth bags.


WOW!!!! I've got to raise my PRICES!!!

Lucky1 wrote:

Not so fast., you need to keep the prices down for us little guys.  BTW--the RSL1 which is one speed and no ergo handle can be had for $169.

 My next want.  Notice I said want, not need.   I want a Hoover Constellation.  I wanted one of those way back when.  Nothing about my want is practical I just want it.  Our neighbor had one when I was a kid in the 70's,  and I was just fasinated with it. 

I just came back to add,  I have a new want.  I was just on the Riccar site and now I want the Sunburst canister.  

If anyone sees Santa, tell him to add that to my list.  Remind him I'm still waiting for my Mercedes.

As a vacuum salesman myself, I HATE it when salespeople try and sell a customer something they don't need or want.  I also hate bashing the competing product, I prefer to concentrate on the advantages of the product I want to sell first, then point out politely (key word there) the reasons I think the other products are not as good.  It sounds like you experianced both a good and bad salesperson that day, and I am glad you found a product that you enjoy.

I rec'd an email from Oreck with a limited time offer [March 9] to buy an Oreck XL Classic for $199 with a 3 year warranty and no shipping costs.  No quantity limit.  I don't think the offer is for the public.  I presume it's made to me because I purchased 3 in the last year.  Now, probably 4.

Carmine D.

See a new "8lb." model coming from Tacony.

Lightweights are finally having their day in the sun.  Consequently, more vacuum makers are entering the market and/or introducing new and updated models.  Why?  The graying of America.  Now one of the largest buying groups in the USA with over 134 million.

Consumer Reports listed 4 Quick Recommendations for Lightweights in its March 2008 ratings.  Ranging in price from $60 to $330.  HOOVER snags 3 of the 4 with the Tempo for $60 and 16 pounds; the EmPower for $100 at 17 pounds and the WT Supreme for $130 at 17 pounds.  Of course the top rated is the RICCAR/Simplicity for $330.  BUT, the latter doesn't come with attachments on board like the HOOVER models accounting for some of the additional weight.

Carmine D.  

CarmineD wrote:

Hi Carmine,

But there are now a few midget canisters around, like the Hoover S1361 that you like, to take up the slack above the floor for attachmentless lightweights.  Matter of fact the S1361 was down to $45 in Best Buy over the weekend.  Kenmore also puts out something similar.  Of course, Orek essentially started the idea having two lightweight machines -- one for floors and one for above the floor use.

My only question would be whether keeping track of two vacuums in limited space might prove a problem.  A lot of middle-agers and seniors do take smaller living spaces these days for practical and financial reasons.

Regards,

Venson

Hello Venson:

Royal too has the 2 for 1 in vacuums.  Buying an all metal upright and getting a compact canister too.  RICCAR/Simplicity  too, if a customer asks.

Most uprights today have on-board tools adding alot of extra weight to the daily chore of vacuuming.  Aging America doesn't want to lug the extra weight around unnecessarily.  If only carpet cleaning is to be done, why push around the uneeded attachments on board in the process.  If above the floor cleaning is to be done, why lug around the carpet cleaning component of the vacuum.  

My dear Wife prefers to store the canister with attachments in the closet because she doesn't have to worry about the upright handle getting in the way of hanging clothes and coats.  I use a small plastic bin with a cover for the hose, wands and extra attachments and set the cann vacuum on top of it. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I have to give you credit Carmine.  You can find so many ways to justify a purchase.

Really, how much can a few tools weigh?  I do not buy into aging America wanting to store tools seperately and then having to go retrieve them if needed.  No need for an upright and a canister + numerous vacuums if you have one excellent vacuum. 

I really like Dyson because it not only cleans carpet, it is excellent on bare floors.  Other uprights that I have used are practically useless on bare floors.  Their exhaust blows the dirt/dust out of the path rendering them useless.

HARDSELL wrote:

I can feel it in the pit of my stomach that this is going to turn into another Dyson thread, but here is my  little  squirt of gasoline to add to the fire, if I may.

When purchasing a light weight machine, we Americans are not looking for the on board tools, at leas I wasn't.  Actually when I purchased my full size machine(s) it was never an option and thus I never miss it.  What I was looking for in a light weight  was a vacuum that was quick and convenient to grab from it's hiding place get the job done with minimum effort and hide it before company comes. 

On deep clean days, I still pull out my high powered machine and it's box of attachments and I do the cleaning as I have for the last 46 years.  I choose to dust first, I know the old vacuum manuals always suggest to dust last to resolve the dust the vacuum with the old dust bags stirred up. With Micro-Lined-Hepa-filtration-electrostaticly-charged-melt-formed-wonder bags I don't worry about it.  I dust first, then do carpets,  and then place the hose on the machine do bare floors, above floors and furniture last. 

My heavy, turbo-charged machine is capable of all the above, but the lightweight is a dedicated carpet/bare floor machine that is my quick clean up dog fur remover.  And to  answer your question "How much can  a few tools weigh?"  For my main machine about 20 lbs U.S. 

Next question: "Why numberous vacuums if you have one excellent?"  Because I wanted it, with three floors to clean (2 above ground one below) It is easier to lug the light weight up and down as well as clean the 27 stairs associated with a multi-story home.

Just wrote:

Just wrote:

My comments were directed to Carmine if you noticed.  I agree.  Why have attachments for a true feather weight?   I also understand a vacuum for each floor level but not a special one for every possible use when 1 will suffice.  Do you lug the monster up and down stairs when a thorough cleaning is in order.

What brand is the monster?  Sounds like a Kirby.

HARDSELL wrote:

Yes I did lug it up and down several times daily.   Now the Kirby lives on the main floor, whilist the Supralite makes the journey up and down stairs.  I figured the lower and uppers don't get as much tracked and ground in dirt as the main floor thus will let the Kirby do the main floor cleaning, while allowing the Supralite to do the touch ups.    I do vacuum everyday, sometimes several times a day as necessitated by living with an American Eskimo dog.  Most of my "dirt" is not ground in, but more like white fluffy surface hair.  This arrangement seems to be working out for me thus far, I have only had the Supralite for a week.   This is until the magic lottery fairy gives me the winning numbers I can afford to have a central vac installed.

BTW--I love Kirby always have.  It's just after a drunk driver fed me the front end of his Ford F-150 a few years ago that I don't have the stamina to do heavy lifting all the time.   I can in this instance have empathy for older adults with diminishing abilities turning to a more viable means of remaining independent with a lighter machine.  This is why I think the aging boomers will be flocking to lighter machines.

Hey guys,

Might I humbly submit that not to be forgotten is -- there is no best.  What there is is what you like or what you don't like.  There are a number of friends of mine who don't wash dishes the way I do, who diidn't buy the perfect steam iron I bought, who don't vacuum the way I do or put things where I'd put them.  Shall I disown these beloved but badly dressed nitwits even though they'd be so much better off having me at least re-arrange their living rooms?

American manufacturers strive to get some of everybody's money.  This is why such a large number and type of all appliances are available at least in this country. Otherwise there's be only one brand, style and color car or washing machine to buy.  (Remember the line our grandfathers told us about buying cars in their day -- "You can have any color you want as long as it is black.")  A lot of money moves around when the everyday consumers feels he or she has a chance to buy something THEY want.

It really doesn't matter what vacuum you own, or how many, as long as you, the individual, are comfortable with it and the results produced.  Face it if there were some sort of universality as to what's best, we'd all marry the same person.  What a mess that would be.

Venson

Venson,

Very astute.  You are absolutely correct, and just explained American consumerism.

HARDSELL wrote:

My friend:

You forget, I bought a brand new dyson DC07 pink.  I couldn't push and pull it over my carpets without getting the gawdawful ratching noise.  Drove my Wife and dog out of their minds.  I gifted it away.  BTW, I did not like having to turn the brush roll knob on and off everytime I went from rugs to floors with the dyson.  And it was terrible on area and throw rugs.  Didn't work. 

In my review on this site, I discuss the weight of the attachments on the HOOVER Cann S1361.  If you want the answer, read it.

The only justification is that my dear Wife wanted the HOOVER cann to compliment the Oreck XL for quick cleanings. BTW, the Oreck goes from rug to floor to throw rug easily with no needed changes and adjustments to the vacuum.

Carmine D.

Just wrote:

I second that statement but have an English lab that sheds year round.  Live in the desert with lots of sand.  And my dear Wife suffers from allergies.  And I have 2 grand daughters that always visit.  Vacuuming daily and even several times a day is mandatory.  The HOOVER WT, dyson, and most other full sized vacuums with tools on board are not conducive to my daily cleaning requirements.  The Oreck is. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

How could anyone forget that you bought a DC07?  How does the gifted party like the DC07?

I prefer the ability to turn the brush roller off and you do not.  This is personal and there is no right or wrong except that a brush that can't be stopped tends to scatter dirt on hard surfaces.  It also seems that it could damage carpet when running while sitting still, regardless of auto adjuster.

It is understandable why one would want a performing vacuum if they also used an Oreck.   I am not surprised that the Oreck needs no adjustments.  It is not powerful enough to suck up a throw rug or suck itself into the carpet.

HARDSELL wrote:

Since you asked my friend here is your answer:

Rewind: I gifted to my daughter and son-in-law in September 2006.  Why?  It worked well on their carpets.  Low carpet.  Smooth pile.  They loved it. 

Fast forward: In June 2007, daughter and SIL buy a new [foreclosed] house [3000 sq. feet] due to expanding family.  New carpets.  Almost identical to those in my house.  Result: Dyson does not work, just like it didn't on mine.  It's in a spare unused bedroom gathering dust.  Consolation:  My oldest grand daughter loves the pink color.

I gifted an Oreck too.  Why? My daughter is pregnant.  She loves it.  Uses it on the main level until I install a central vacuum system. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

My Friend:

Speaking for Oreck and my own personal use only, I can tell you you're wrong.  Oreck is an excellent floor cleaner and does not scatter anything.  It picks it up on the first pass.  75 percent of my home is ceramic tile.  Oreck works like a charm.  Throw rugs the same.  I have berber, smooth and plush.  Kitchen, bathroom, foyers.  The Oreck brings up the pile and makes them look like new.  And my bedroom carpets are wool Mohawk medium pile loop.  Oreck almost goes by itself.  Same carpets dyson couldn't budge on.  If I raise up the handle on these carpets, there is no problem with the Oreck.  The belt lasted 9 months.  The Oreck is a classic [no pun intended].  Has over 45 years of proven time tested experience.  You loose sight of that, ignore it, and overlook it.  Another reason you are biased.

Carmine D.

I just wanted to update on my Riccar experience. 

I just changed the bag for the first time.  Usually I fill bags more quickly, but remember this is an additional vac.   Here is an observation I have made, which someone can correct me if I am wrong, as it is only my observation.  The blue paper bags don't seem to breath as well as the white fabric (HEPA) bag that came with it. I am basing this on the fact that when I use the Vac with the HEPA bag the bag was yeilding and and could be depressed quite easily.  With the blue paper bag, though supposed to be as good at filtering, the bag is almost hard ridged when the machine is running.    You can still feel air flowing from the bag, but the paper is more taunt.  Thus my deduction the paper bag is not breathing as well as the fabric type bag.  I am sure there is a scientific means to measure this, but I used my hand.

In any case I still like the little Riccar, and it is getting lots of use.  I have found myself reaching for the Supralite more and more.  The fast, agressive brush roll really lifts and grooms the carpet. 

CarmineD wrote:

No wonder the Oreck goes by itself.  No suction!!!!  I would not think that a vetern would be fooled by the raised pile,  I reported years ago that the Oreck does an excellent job of grooming carpet.  It just fails to deep clean.  BTW, there are carpet rakes that make it look beautful.  Like the Oreck they make carpet look great without the deep cleaning.  They also do not cost over $700.

GM and Ford have more years experience than Lexus.  Which is better?  If knowing what is best is biased then you are correct about me.

HARDSELL wrote:

Better and best are in the mind of the buyer/ user and incorporate many factors both objective and subjective.  Most importantly for some, maybe not others, price.  Since I am and have been a Ford buyer for years, my answer would be unequivocally Ford.  Since you and many of my good friends and acquaintances are Toyota buyers, you and they would say Lexus.  Others would say GM.  Among models, all three will/will not excel over the others. 

Since the Oreck works very well on my floors and carpets [and several persons I gifted them to], and the dyson did not, I keep and use the Oreck and gifted away the dyson.  Still have not given up on a dyson.  Plan to buy another at some point.  But can't make up my mind which one.  Most retailers are discounting 20 percent now.  Lowes.  Bed Bath and Beyond.  Linen-n-things.  Regularly discount 20 percent AND give Gift cards. Can't be the DC07/14 [which are getting harder to find and buy].  They won't work for me.  Tried already.  Don't care for the DC15.  Too unruly.  DC17?  DC18? DC20?  One of the new baby dysons?  The latter have not come out yet in the US.  Time will tell.  Which do you recommend among these dysons as the best?

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

I think cars are like vacuums.  There are really no better ones, it depends on what the customer prefers and is comfortable spending to get.

Just,
I'm glad you're experimenting with cloth/paper bags.  I've done the same with my electrolux cannisters.  I will never buy paper again. You are absolutely right that the cloth maintains better airflow as the bag fills, not to mention better filtration as well.  I haven't looked at the cloth type bag for your upright, but if it's anything like their cannisters, you're better off spending the few extra dollars on the cloth filtrete/hepa style bag. 

Vernon

CarmineD wrote:

Practice what you preach.  Dyson seems to get more positive reviews than anything that you recommend.   Just be honest and say it did not work for you.  As usual you run that motor mouth before knowing the facts.  I drive a Ford and my son drives a Ford P/U.  If you knew anything about autos you would know that Toyota/Lexus does excell above the big 3.  Since you believe the rag reports read to see if I am telling the truth.

You vacuum with at least a half dozen models regularly.  How would you know which is doing the job. 

I have only used the DC07 and 14.  I prefer the 7.

Just wrote:

Have to disagree on this.

HARDSELL wrote:

My point with in saying that there are many cars out there, often the consumer has to make the choice from the best they can afford.  Though a BMW may be better than my Corvair, the Corvair may be all that I can afford.  Though the Yugo was a POC, it was cheap, but throw-a-way. 

The same with vacuums.  The Rainbow may be "the best" but all I can afford is a Dirt Devil.  Though the devil is throw-a-way it does the job.

Just:

I agree on pulling out the easier and quicker vacuum first and most.  The first belt I replaced on the Oreck was after 9 months.  I was still using the HOOVER WT.  And still do.  The second belt on the Oreck, I replaced after 3 months.  Using it more often than the HOOVER WT.

BTW, the ORECK belt is a breeze to replace.  Pops on in 30 seconds.  One screw to remove and replace to give access.  Slip off the old.  Put on the new.  Just need a screwdriver.  Belts are a couple of dollars.

Carmine D.

Vernon wrote:
Hi Vernon,the new perfect lux metal body,retrolux uses the filtrete bags.



MOLE

HARDSELL wrote:

I use all the vacuums that  'do the job' as you say.  By using, that's my proof that they work/don't work.  The dyson DC07 didn't work on my carpets and others.  If you have another dyson suggestion please let me know and I'll consider for my next purchase. 

I see where Frye's Electronics is selling refurb [to factory specs] DC14 for $249.  But it doesn't say the warranty.  If I thought the DC14 would work, I would buy.  But it's the same as the DC07.  Won't work on my carpets.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

I disagree with you and this statement.  HOOVER Tempo is rated the best for vacuums regardless of price [btw it retails for $50-$80] by consumers who buy and use vacuums and report the results on-line.  

More proof that quality is not determined by the vacuum's price and vice versa.  Refresh my memory.  What is it that you always say about dyson's high price and quality?  You get what you pay for?

Did you read the recent AMA study results?  Very interesting.  Shades of Japanese consumer mentality.  US consumers rated their meds effectiveness based on the price/cost.  The more expensive, the better the meds were rated for effectiveness.  In most cases, the least expensive pill rated the worse was the very same pill rated the best [if the price was more]. Do you think meds are like vacuums?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I am sure that you and CR rate the Tempo highly.  Since it blows dirt and dust around how do you vacuum all the hard surfaces in your home?  Do you just unplug it a nd push the dirt up then sweep up the pile.

The brush can't be turned off.  Do you just let it let the brush scrub while you use the hose.  Or does the hose have enough suction to be worthy of use?

I think that all medicines are over priced.         U.S. quality would be the worst possible if not for the Japanese.

HS:

Choose any consumers' vacuum review page on any of the Web Sites including this one, you'll see the HOOVER Tempo is rated the highest.  If you find one Web Site that doesn't rate the HOOVER Tempo over all other vacuums, regardless of price, please post it here.  I haven't found one yet.

FYI, it doesn't have a brush shut off, but it has a barefloor adjustment just like dyson.  And a light.  And a full bag indicator.  Its made of the the same high impact ABS thermoplastic and polypropylene as all the dyson vacuums.  Has a one year unconditional guarantee that covers EVERYTHING.  Retails for $60 [the cost of the premotor and HEPA filters for a dyson vacuum].  Comes in bagged or bagless. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I've been watching this and now I'm going to jump in and disagree with the statement you made.  What are you thinking?  The plastic on a Hoover Tempo is inferior to that of the Dyson, or even the new TTI Hoovers like the Mach 3 for that matter.  It is that same outdated "grainy" plastic that I just wish would go away once and for all, which finally seems to be happening now with the exception of cheap outdated machines from both Hoover and Eureka (read: Tempo/Windtunnel).  

I mentioned this before, but I stopped into a vac shop and a lady happened to bring in a Hoover Tempo for service, couldn't have been more than 6 months old.  The belt was stretched out.  She turned it on and it sounded horrible, not to mention the exhaust smelled like she hadn't ever changed the bag.  The nozzle hood was also cracked near the height adjustment.  So much for the high-impact ABS claim.  Sure, you can buy 6-8 Tempos for the price of a Dyson (depending on what model you're talking about), but I highly doubt the Tempo will last 10-15 years which you can easily get out of a Dyson provided the machine isn't abused.  Cheap vacuums like the Tempo may be popular where you are, but as they say, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.  REAL vacuums like the Dyson are popular elsewhere, regardless of whether you want to believe it. 

Remember word of mouth!  Your post prompted me to check out some more review pages, and in the process I found a forum thread discussing vacuum cleaners.  Notice some of the posts:  "Do people actually buy/pay attention to Consumer Reports magazine? In my exeprience (sic), the Hoover and Eureka stuff is laughable compared to Dyson; although the Eureka stuff is usually pretty inexpensive." "Bought the Hoover based on Consumer Reports. Terrible.  Dyson is very very good."

Here's another comment coming from a blog page:  "My favorite Dyson story: as recommended by a friend who had one, I vacuumed the hell out of my living room with my old vacuum (a two year old Hoover), then ran the Dyson over the same area. Filled up the Dyson's cannister a quarter of the way through the room, the contents of which included the very distinctive hair from one of our cats that had died 5 years before. Eww and stuff."

Enough said.  By the way, sorry for the Dyson undertone on the pages, but I couldn't find anything that says "I want a Hoover Tempo!"

-MH

Motorhead,

Is it true that HOOVER sold 4 Million new HOOVER Tempos in 2007 and has total Tempo sales of 25 M. 

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

HOOVER Tempo is constructed from high impact ABS thermoplastic and polypropylene.  What is dyson constructed from that makes it more superior.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

It could be true.  There is a fool born every day.  At least there was the day you were born.  Those disposable Hoovers last a few months and the foolish buyers replace with another.

The big box stores allow 30 to 90 days for returns/exchanges.  I am betting that Hoover counts the replacemnt as a sale.  No wonder so many units are moved.

You are more fun than a circus clown Carmine.  Please direct me to a site that real users rate the Dyson as inferior to Hoover.

Just in case you have not received the word.  Sales volumes are not related to performance or quality,

Dyson brush can be disengaged and the hose has owerful suction.

HARDSELL:

This came from the side banner on this page.  The score for the HOOVER Tempo based on 640 reviews is 100 percent [twice as high as the best ratings received for all the dysons rated, DC07, 14, 15, 17, 18].    The DC07 has about 600 reviews.  Very comparable.

Happy Easter: 

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Carmine D.

Motor:

I went to just one of the Web Sites with vacuum ratings that is listed in your post under the search "I want a HOOVER Tempo." [You posted it].

It rates the HOOVER Tempo above the dyson DC17.  Here is a direct quote I excerpted:

Luxury bagless vacuum.

"Dyson vacuums get the most attention in reviews, but in measured testing, Dyson doesn't significantly outperform others when it comes to cleaning carpet and bare floors."

Here is the Web Site so you can verify.

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/house_and_home/vacuum-cleaners/index.html?refcd=GO033465s_Hoover&tsacr=GO441561742&gclid=CLOdoqaeo5ICFRkGagodpSPFQQ

Thank you for the Site.  I'll add it to my favorites for future reference on the Tempo.

Happy Easter.

Carmine D.

HS, Motor:

Not that I'm the least bit surprised by your and Motor's responses.  It's the same old dyson drivel I've listened to for 6 years.  I'm immune to it. 

You and Motor both bring up the issue of the high recommendations given by dyson users vice all other brands.  Word of mouth etc. 

When confronted with evidence to the contrary in Web Sites and on-line opinions, you both impugn the results calling the non-dyson buyers/users fools, cheapskates, [the one I like the most] Communists and not representative of nationwide consumers.  Really?  Is this rational?

What makes you and Motor so angry and irritable about the HOOVER Tempo ratings and their clear superiority over all the dysons based on these on-line reviews.  Is it that you think these raters are really all wrong, since they disagree with you and your blind fondness for dyson?  Or you fear they may actually be right?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Repititious of you and Dyson.

Lets see now,choices of uprights for someone who does not care what it looks like,bagged or bagless,old and in good shape or newer and all buffed out with flames and a rear spoiler from the space shuttle.
Ask yourself this question,who watches me clean my carpets anyways,should i just get the cleaning lady to come over and clean anyways,and use her own vacuum,would you get on her case because the vacuum cleaner she has was ranked poorly in a consumers magazine?.Even though your house looks really clean.Would i be a bad person with out a clue because i dont use a dyson to clean my 9x15 carpet,

How about if i just tore all the carpeting out of my home because my allergest told me to,because no vacuum cleaner does a 100% of dust and dirt removal.

Should i be banished from this forum,because i used the wrong color feather duster to dust my furniture, Should i not like someone because of the vacuum cleaner they use?.

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

I see that as usual you only extracted what fits your fantasy.  One needs to read the whole article as opposed to just what a deceiving Dyson basher posts. For those interested they will find that the Tempo gets criticism for things like:  1. Short cord. 2. More suited for carpet than hard floors.  3. No brush turn off . This alone makes it impractical to use the hose and tools.  Of course we could buy numerous vacuums (each with a specialty) or a single Dyson.  There are no specific criticisms listed for Dyson except maybe the price.  They further report that many feel it is worth the premium.

 Dyson DC17 rates 73% at 65 stars.  Tempo rates 56% at 5 stars   A rating of 3 or less should be read carefully to determine if any criticism is warranted or if it will actually impact the comsumers application.

It seems that lower Tempo ratings are related to quality issues (these can effect all).  The Dyson is usually specific application that makes it un aceptable to the reviewer.

mole wrote:
I second this statement!!

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

Moved to a new home in August 2006 with new carpets.  I bought a new dyson DC07 and it didn't work on my carpets.   I didn't sell it [like you], or return to the retailer [as dyson recommended].   I gifted it away.  It was fine for awhile.  Then, new home with new carpets and same old dyson problem.  For 2 others beside myself.

I'm still willing to give a dyson another chance.  I've said so several times.  I asked for dyson recommendations from you.  None forthcoming yet.  Do you have one?

Carmine D.

HEY BIG V, how's it going, is the lindhaus aria out of the repair shop yet, DO you drive or take the sled dog team to get around up there. Isn't being in customer service becoming more challenging every day.

Had a customer call me from your area with a renni, by the time we were done talking about all the problems,and the possible causes and diagnostics involved ,his final comment was .Should i just take it outside and shoot it..............


BEST REGARDS

  MOLE

HARDSELL wrote:

Why have you not bought a new dyson to replace the one you say was the best and you never should have sold? 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

Did you invent a new star rating scale for consumers and dysons? Or did the superior HOOVER ratings and inferior dyson ratings make you see stars?  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine I went to the site.  Your excerpted quote does not say that the Tempo or any other vac outperfermed Dyson.  In fact it indicates that the Dyson is the top performer, just not by a significent margin.

I do understand that Dyson kicked your rump so hard that it caused brain damage.  Perhaps in your capacity as an insultant (or is that consultant) if you had not ignored Dyson your clients would not have booted you.

CarmineD wrote:
Polycarbonate.

CarmineD wrote:
That incorrect information came from a paid advertisement on the blog site, *not* the Google search page like you said (which still shows no results).  Wrong again.

Perhaps in time there will possibly be one result if the Google bot crawlers find this page and see my previous comment

-MH

CarmineD wrote:

Your posted review site directs us to Amazon reviews.  Amazon gives the same star rating to Tempo and DC17.  Now if you divide the # of 5 star reviews by the total reviews you will see that I did not alter the rating scale.  More positive reviews for the top rating.  I only report facts and not what I dream.  BTW, are you still on those mind altering meds?

Again I am sorry for the brain damage from that butt kicking from Dyson.

CarmineD wrote:

i will when I am ready.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

What you do with a vacuum matters not to me.  You should also know that I could give a crap less if you like me selling or gifting.  I will tell you again  that I have no remorse about selling a quality product.  I gave a Hoover self propelled WT away because the Dyson out performed it.  I would have felt guilty about selling the Hoover.

Why bother with another Dyson in your home.  After the butt kicking from Dyson it could cause bad memories. 

If you must have a Dyson I have a recommendation.  Get better carpet.

Motorhead wrote:

Motor:

You stole my line.  Poly crack alot.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Mole has a better idea.  I'll just remove the carpet all together and then I can use the upright dyson DC07 pink on all the barefloors.

Truth be told, the ORECK is far superior to both the HOOVER  and dyson put together. Wouldn't you agree?

Carmine D. 

It has been almost a year since I bought the Supralite, and there are still no regrets.

Remember this is a second machine, but I like others on the board here, have found it easier to grab the little guy more often than the Mega Monster.  Not to say that I don't still use my main vac, but the lightweight gets a lot of use.

I replaced the belt for the first time about a month ago, this is not as easy as the book says it is.  You have turn the machine over, take the rug plate off, then pull the roller brush out then you can unthread the belt from the motor shaft.  Reversing the process with a new and much tighter belt is not an easy task.  After you finally get the belt threaded back onto the motor shaft where you have to turn the belt sideways to work it through the tight space, you then have to put it around the roller brush and then work it back into position.  Stretching the belt and trying to get the roller back in it's brackets made me feel like I had spent a workout on "Biggest Looser".

Lucky this is not a task that I have to do often, I put the last of the free bags in on Saturday.   Taking almost a year to use seven bags should not reflect on the little guy's ability to pick up.  Remember this is not the only vac with cleaning chores around my house, and the bags are very large, so even with Eskie hair they take a while to fill up.  I usually change them because of the "Doggie Smell" before they are really packed with dirt and hair.

Just, did you try using a screwdriver to guide the belt onto the motor shaft.  It may help make things easier.  I learned this a long time ago when putting the belt back in place after using the attachments on my grandmother's old GE.

Venson

Hello Just:

Glad you like your RICCAR Supralite.

One of the reasons I replace my ORECK belt so frequently [4/5 months] is because it is so easy and at $2-3.00 a pop not costly.  And when you are dealing with 4 amps, a good belt, bag, and brush roll make the vacuum perform at peak level.  I am extremely satisfied with my XL Classic. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

I agree you need to keep the belts in good condition to keep the vacuum at peak.  I usually change them when I hear the brush roll struggling or slowing down.  I am sure after I have done it a few times it will get easier.    Silly ole me is just used to the Magic Finger on the Kirby wasn't used to holding the vac down with my feet while I pulled with both hands to tug the brush roll into position while trying to keep the belt from snaping off the side. 

I was impressed with the Oreck as well.  The Oreck Clean Home Center is a very plesant experience.  Even though I didn't buy from them, I would highly recommend their vacs just from the customer experience.

Kirby has the patent on easy belt installs. 

Glad to hear your praise for ORECK, staff and stores.  They are the industry model.  I always have a delightful experience with their staffs/stores.  I always ask to see the boss, Dave, first to break the ice. 

Carmine D.