Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

dusty wrote:

In my 40 plus years of vacuum store ownership and operations, I never made money on new vacuum sales.  Repairs, parts and rebuilts were the money makers.  For the first 5 years of business, I didn't sell a new vacuum out of my store.  I referred new vacuum buyers to other businesses.  Free. 

I added new vacuums in the mid 50's as an accomodation to my customers who asked to buy new vacuums.  I started with HOOVER, then Westinghouse, then EUREKA and then Panasonic.  I was the first authorized sales and service dealer for Panasonic in NJ in the early 70's.  I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum.  I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added.  If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy.  Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies.

The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time.  1949-1992.  No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. 

Carmine D.

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Actually there is more profit in selling an Oreck than a Dyson.  Margins are higher and the customer has to come back for bags and belts.  Perhaps you should start up again ;-)

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

I am sure that you let this slip out.  You always avoided my question when I asked i fyou made more profit on vacuum sales or on parts and service.  The truth is out.Now we know why you dislike Dyson so much.  They do not require all those supplies and servicings like the brands you profited from.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

Who said? The CFO of Wal*Mart and the Exec VP for Wal*Mart's home division.  Retail sales numbers for May were reported last week.  The best performers: Wal*Mart and COSTCO with same store sales increases of 3.9 and 5 percent. 

Wal*Mart's VP for the home division says and I quote: "We see really solid numbers that show people are staying at home more, and when they are at home, they are preparing food, and that means they [have] to sweep and vacuum their floor, so one of my biggest departments is floor care, vacuum cleaners for example."  Read an weep.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

Those pleated HOOVER cartridge filters, like in the EmPower and WT are teflon coated, completely immersible, and guaranteed for the lifetime of the vacuums.  Less expensive than the leading bagless brand filters. 

I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that the post motor filters on the latest dysons DC24/25 are P-L-E-A-T-E-D paper. 

Carmine D. 

dusty wrote:

Not the ORECK XL Classic for $150 retail plus shipping.  Least expensive of all ORECKS.  Not in the Deluxe for $399.  Most popular and best buy of all the ORECKS.  Perhaps the Ultra for $549 and the XL 21 for $749.  The Deluxe for $399 is as good as the Ultra and has the same motor.  Who needs a 10 year warranty? If it's a warranty you're looking for then buy the XL for $749 and it costs you $35 for 21 years.  Free everything for 21 years.  

$200 on a $500 retail dyson is huge mark up.  Not surprising you defend it and the customers who buy.  Profit motive speaks volumes.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Well to start with, the Oreck XL Classic sells for $349 in Canada and no, we don't make $200 on it ...but we don't make $200 on a $499 Dyson vac either. I never actually  mentioned a model or price, it was you that said $500.  I don't particularly want to post cost of vacuums here but $200 profit on the rest of the Oreck line isn't out of the ordinary and that's still less profit than most dealers make on a Miele or other high end machine. I defend Dyson because the customers I have sold the product too like the product and compared to other bagless machines I believe it's a superior machine.   Every vac has it's place whether it be Oreck, Dyson, Eureka or whatever.  There is no product on the market that is as good and you think or as bad as you think.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

You don't think Oreck or Sebo would love to have those numbers? 
Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

I'll post it and phrase it differently...  Dyson has a 28% Canadian market share and you think it is in Oreck's best interest not to be at a 28% market share too.  If D.O. was solely owned I could go along with your analogies and D.O. can do as he pleases with his namesake.  But since he has 3 or more investors one would assume growing market share and profits would be a good thing.  Do you think D.O. secured these investors by painting a picture of growth or painting a picture of no growth?        DIB

HARDSELL wrote:

Hardsell,

Lets see what it takes for "Mr/Mrs/Miss not-so-good-with-tools" to maintain his/her belted vacuum cleaner...  Load a vacuum into a car, drive vacuum to a local vacuum dealer, unload vacuum and drop off, return to dealer at some later date, load vacuum into car, unload vacuum once home and do it 2-4 times a year is something most would prefer not to do.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

Is that in sales dollars or units?

ORECK has respect as a brand name.  Quality products.  Made in the USA by Americans.  ORECK has a consistent niche market share year after year and has for many years.  Offers a plethora of floor care products.  And air purifiers.  These factors in union draw investor interest and support.   

Carmine D.