Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

You said it all with the words I highlighted.  SEBO over dyson any day for a vacuum pro.  I agree.  Substitute any other indy-store vacuum brand for SEBO comparable in price to dysons.  What would you chose as better and sell to customers?

WRT vacuum customers doing their own shopping and deciding on dyson, they did in the past because of the overstated claims by sales persons that dysons didn't clog and the filters were virtually maintenance free.  Both are myths.  Now these claims are widely known in the industry as false.  Vacuum shoppers will shy away from dyson in the future in part due to the mediocre performance, in part the increased filter maintenance required for warranty, and most especially the high dyson prices.

With the cost of gas so high and going up, you have a point on shoppers and bags.  They may look elsewhere than the store of vacuum purchase.  They will probably go on-line and buy the bags to avoid gas and time. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Known in the industry perhaps, but not by the general consumer.  Even when we point out that bins need to be emptied and filters cleaned, the customer that comes in looking for a Dyson will still choose it over the majority of our bag models.  Again, just the thought of having to do a little less is all it takes for them to spend $500.  This is exactly why we decided to carry the line...it's easier to give the customer what they want rather than constantly selling away from it all the time.  It may not be my favorite machine but $200 profit in my pocket is better than letting Best Buy or Target have it.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Judging from the positive Dyson reviews on this site alone it is evident that readers do not listen to your propaganda.  Only 1 review for Oreck and that is from a biased Carmine.

How far is the future.  I think it is now.  You have been telling us for three yeare that in the future Dyson will fail. The only one to falter is Carmine.

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

I highlighted the relevant words in your post.  People that owned dysons know because they experienced the clogging filters and loss in suction.  First time dyson bagless buyers probably don't but they will be burdened with filter maintenance.  You and I know that most vacuum users won't do it.  You provided an excellent post on the overworked housewives leaving the bag and belt changes to their husbands when they get home from work.  Think those women will dump dirt bins let alone wash dyson filters monthly and quarterly?  No, probably not.  Voila, same problem with dyson as not changing an overfill bag.

$200 profit on a $500 retail vacuum.  Wow!  That's a huge mark up.  No wonder sales people exaggerated claims about dyson.  Profit motive!  I would sell dysons too but only if the customer insisted on dyson.  I would not recommend over any of the indy-store vacuum brands.  Bagless, dyson included, is a nightmare for most vacuum customers after they use.  Lots of hassles and high maintenance [dumping the bin, cleaning and replacing filters, and health hazards of dumping the dirt bin indoors].  Like Rainbows which top the list for price and pampering.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I used a DC07 for 3 years.  I checked the filter regularly and only washed it a couple of times.  When I washed the filter the water was only slightly dingy.  Dumping the bin was not a pleasant thing but neither is changing belts or lugging the vacuum back to the dealer for a tune up and them going back to get it.

If you live in the same filth daily that you are dumping why is it more hazardous after it has been vacuumed and then dumped?  I have never read a report about a fatality caused from dumping a dirt bin.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

Did you read the Users Manual for your dyson.  Did you note the illustrations for dumping the dirt bin for allergy and asthma sufferers?  Two pages with illustrations in great detail and narrative on the proper disposal and dumping of the dyson dirt bin to avoid health risks.  All doctors advise allergy and asthma sufferers not to use bagless vacuums, dyson included.  Consumer Reports does also.  Me too!

You sold your DC07 too and now use two bagged upright vacuums. Royal Eminence and Kirby Sentria.  Excellent move.  You finally took my advice.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

As usual you can't answer my question as to why living and breathing filth daily becomes more hazardous after being vacuumed.  Please pay attention.  I think you are exagerating when you say that all doctors advise against bagless.  I give no credit to opinions from CR and you.

When did you ever recommend Royaol or Kirby to me or anyone else.  You only recommended hoover.  Gald I did not listen to you. You do not take your own advice or you would still be be using Hoove and not Oreck.  Hypocritical at its' best.

CarmineD wrote:
Press a button, empty dirt.  I don't think you are giving the ladies enough credit.  Clear bin as opposed to a bag tucked away in a machine that you can't see.  I don't see the problem.

As for health hazards, how is it that Dyson in both the US and Canada are certified asthma friendly machines by the Asthma and Allergy Foundations in both countries?  If it was indeed an evil health hazard should they not have that rating taken away?  Personally the only time I've ever seen emptying a bin to be a hazard was on an Oreck infomercial and when you let the dirt go from 3 feet above the garbage...well....perhaps your not qualified enough to be vacuuming in the first place.  Might also want to remove any sharp objects that are lying around too :-)

Again Carmine, don't get me wrong.  I'm a Riccar and Sebo guy.  But to say Dyson is done and the masses are upset with the vacuum I have to strongly disagree.  Dyson is here to stay. They'll make changes, alter price points, and do all the same things all the other companies do to make it work but until the other companies come up with a bagless machine that compares favorbably they'll be able to charge whatever they like for the product.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

The dyson bin is easy to dump.  Other bagless bins too.  Big Headache: Where do you dump it?  Inside?  Outside?  Either way, a hassle and problem.  Especially as the dyson bins get smaller.  What that's all about?

Dyson prices had to fall and MAP get scrubbed.  20 percent and more off the dyson MSRP is normal with added bonus of giftcards and store cash.  That's how the dyson brand survives now at the big box retailers.  Exclusive dyson models are long gone. 

Simple on the certifications.  The certs are granted for one reason and one reason only.  They are based on the users reading and following the dyson User Manual for dirt bin dumping.  Why do you think dyson devotes 2 pages of explicit detail and instructions.  [I'm sure you recommend to all your dyson buying customers who are allergy and asthma sufferers to read and follow the dyson instructions]. 

The halo with UV-C for germ killing is mentioned frequently.  The CEO, Mr. Garcia, commissioned a study to prove halos used regularly are better for asthma and allergy sufferers.  Why do you think halo comes with a paper bag?  Not bagless.  So doctors can recommend to their asthma and allergy patients?  You're getting warm.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty:

I thoroughly agree with the words from your post that I highlighted. 

If you want me to believe that dyson is and will be the only bagless vacuum game in town then answer this for me:  Why has dyson new market share in the UK dropped from a high in 2004 of 43 percent to 28 percent in 2007.  That's  an average drop of 5 points in market share per year for 3 years.  Why?

Carmine D.