Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

DysonInventsBig wrote:

I said a few things.  What exactly is the question?        DIB

Hello DIB:

Nice try.  Please allow me to facilitate the discussion here for you.

Like MOLE above,  I doubt the innovative success of dyson.  Why?  Simple.  If the most ardent dyson fans like yourself [above] claim publicly that the 6 year old DC07 bests the newest DC24/25.  Is it any wonder that die hard dyson fans [like HARDSELL] don't buy new dysons [in fact return newly purchased DC14-s].  My sense is that all the dyson fans believe new dyson models are lacking and not as good as past.

Over time and experience [15 years as Dsyon LTD], the latest and greatest guru of vacuum filtration [Mr. Dyson] by his own admirers' admissions is not getting better.  What happened to the dyson improvement that HARDSELL boasts about?  Sounds more like failure.

[To quote my esteemed friend and colleague]:

 mole wrote:

[DIB: Merely re-read your post to discern the question]?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

My sense is that all the dyson fans believe new dyson models are lacking and not as good as past.

You could also include all Hoover, Eureka, Electrolux, Filter Queen etc fans in that statement.  Most would agree nobody makes anything as good as they used to whether it be a model from 5 years ago or 30 years ago. Sad.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

Very true.  We know how these brands have deteriorated in quality [not performance] over the years.  Suction power, rug cleaning performance, features, maintenance, and weight of the brands you cite are all much better today than their yester- year models.  They clean better, filter better, require less repair and maintenance, have added amenities and features, etc, etc.  And prices have come down.

Back to dysons.  DIB's post about dyson filtration.  The quintessential feature of dysons.  Filtration!  No need for bags that clog.  Right.  Originally, the dyson mantra was:  Never clogs, never loses suction.   With pre-motor filters needing cleaning annually in the DC07/14, save unusual conditions. 

The revised mantra: Never loses suction.  [True of all vacuums.] 

DIB says that the latest and greatest dysons [and still most expensive big box store brand] don't measure up to the DC07 for filtration.  Why?  In part, because the pre-motor filters call for cleaning every 3-4-5 months.  Hassle!  Like changing a paper bag plus daily/weekly dirt bin dumping with home air pollution!

Is this the new and improved dyson innvovation we all hear about?  Requiring a cadre of 500 engineers and enormous annual R&D spending? 

Carmine D.

If people don’t want to purchase a steerable and pivoting Dyson upright that requires more than normal filter maintenance then they have the choice to purchase a competing steerable and pivoting upright from…  well nobody.        DIB

Hello DIB:

I infer from your response [more correctly lack thereof] that you still believe your assessment of dyson's shortfall in filtration of the latest dyson models.   

MOLE told us that the dyson claim that its filters didn't clog was a farce.  You [and others who proclaimed how great dyson art] scoffed him and refused to believe.  MOLE said that dyson was perpetrating a myth on the vacuum industry.

Now all new dyson models have the requirement for users to observe/perform regular filter maintenance.  In fact, the dyson waranty is null and void if the user does not follow the rigorous filter maintenance.  Truth now be told, dyson should have included the new filter maintenance schedule on all its dyson models fro the very beginning.  DC07/14 too.   The DC07 filtration is no better than the latest dyson's filtering.  You believed the dyson myth that claimed it was.  You refused to believe the truth:  All vacuum filters clog.  Even dyson.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Next to the farcical claim that dysons don't clog, is the claim that a 12 pound lightweight household vacuum needs a huge ball wheel to make it easier to steer and pivot.  It's laughable. 

Fool me once, shame on dyson.  Fool me twice, shame on me.  

American consumers are not fools.  They are very unforgiving despite what you may think.

Carmine D.

YOU just have to keep telling the lie often enough and people start thinking its the truth,[neocons like misguided and unregulated propaganda]

dyson ran his vacuum marketing campain no different than the now defunked FANTOM camp.

Now you can take this overpriced, underperforming, overhyped,poor excuse for a cleaning device and sell it back in the good old U.K.[if they let you].

sincerely

THE-MOLE

CarmineD wrote:
Before anyone labels me a Dyson groupie, let me point out that I'd rather push around a Riccar or a Sebo before a Dyson.  With that said, I like the Dyson product.  When we sell these machines we recommend emptying the container after each use (keeps odor down if you have pets and it doesn't cost anything to empty) and the filters be washed out every 3 months.  If the customer does this the chances of them being unhappy with the machine are virtually nil.  We also suggest vacuuming with their old vacuum one last time and then going over the carpet with their new Dyson.  As you can imagine, most customers are amazed at what they pull out. Now this of course isn't because the Dyson is that much better than their old machine but more the fact that the majority of customers don't change belts, empty bags when needed or have a clue how to maintain the product that they own.  This is where Dyson excels in my opinion.  It's a simple vacuum.  Dump a cannister, wash a filter.  The customer can do that far easier than trying to change belts, match up proper bags when most don't even know what they own or heaven forbid, choose a correct height adjustment for their carpet.  While many machines will outperform Dyson initially, over the course of the year or years the Dyson is easier to maintain and thus the customer remains happier with their vacuum.  I believe simplicity is Dysons innovation.  Keep it simple and people will pay whatever you ask.  I give the nod to Dysons 500 engineers on this one. If nothing else, they certainly beat out Eurekas big innovation....the Spin Duster.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

Dyson user simplicity is not its forte.  Dumping a dirt bin daily/weekly and washing filters quarterly is not in my opinion a better alternative than changing a paper bag once a month.  Add to the mix that most vacuum users don't have time and you don't have simplicity.  You get complications.  Dyson joins that ignominious list headed by Rainbow for high consumer price and pampering.

Dyson gets my kudos for vacuum colors and clear dirt bin.  People see the vacuums [especially women] and they look like toys with a purpose.  The clear bin gives a sense of work accomplishment by watching the whirling/swirling dust in the bin.  But there are the dyson down sides.  Retail prices, as MOLE indicates, are off the charts for its under performance and added user requirements.   The unsightly dirt bin is just that when you put it away.   Even if you dump.

Do colors and dirt bin take 500 engineers and millions of R&D every year, with impressive looking lab technicians in white coats?  [Does farce enter your mind?].  Is this the dyson innovation that demands such high prices?  Makes me laugh thinking about it.  Some people are suckers and buy into the dyson myth and glitz.  Most don't anymore and the numbers are dwindling. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
A filter that doesn't clog isn't really filtering.  Foam filters just do not clog as quickly as pleated filters like on the Hoovers.