Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Mr. Apollinax:

You're a good man.

What's old is new again, as Mike W. likes to say.  Very true for the vacuum industry and has always been.

Back in the day when tanks with cloth bags ruled and reigned supreme, vacuum manufacturers took good care to "sure" up the pre-motor filters in vacuums.  Why?  To reduce the dust and debris that got past the cloth from getting into the motor compartment.  For obvious reasons.  To protect and extend the motor life and improve the exhaust air [smell and content].

How did they do this?  Most would sandwich the filter material, which was very primitive by today's standards, between screen wire and/or fine mesh and then enclosed in a rubber gasket.  To give the filter material strength, support, and substance; absorb motor heat; and seal the air [read dirt leakage] from entering the motor.  In order to extend filter life and keep and prolong peak motor performance. Most times these filters were rarely replaced and instead merely vacuumed cleaned. 

These pre-motor filters and set ups went by the wayside as filter paper bags appeared in the 50's and 60's and flourished in the industry.  With bagless vacuums, these pre-motor filters [and ways to improve their longevity] have made a resurgence.  And rightly so.  A clogged pre-motor filter is the quickest way to burn up a motor.  Both then and now.

BTW, the Eureka Whirlwind bagless was a signature gray and yellow.  Just like the dyson DC07 All Floors.  Except the Whirlwind came first.

Carmine D. 

Congrats on the new dyson.  Good choice IF you snagged it for a good price.  Home Depot is selling the DC07 and DC14 on clearance AND offering an additional 10 percent off through today for Presidents' Day.  The DC07 is the better of the deals IMHO:  $329 on clearance less an additional $33 for final price of $299.  5 year Warranty.  Not bad.

Of course, I wouldn't toss/gift away that 10 year old HOOVER quite yet.  Not until you try out the new dyson and are duly pleased with the results. 

Carmine D.

I said a few things.  What exactly is the question?        DIB

I said a few things.  What exactly is the question?        DIB

Hello DIB:

Nice try.  Please allow me to facilitate the discussion here for you.

Like MOLE above,  I doubt the innovative success of dyson.  Why?  Simple.  If the most ardent dyson fans like yourself [above] claim publicly that the 6 year old DC07 bests the newest DC24/25.  Is it any wonder that die hard dyson fans [like HARDSELL] don't buy new dysons [in fact return newly purchased DC14-s].  My sense is that all the dyson fans believe new dyson models are lacking and not as good as past.

Over time and experience [15 years as Dsyon LTD], the latest and greatest guru of vacuum filtration [Mr. Dyson] by his own admirers' admissions is not getting better.  What happened to the dyson improvement that HARDSELL boasts about?  Sounds more like failure.

[To quote my esteemed friend and colleague]:

 mole wrote:

[DIB: Merely re-read your post to discern the question]?

Carmine D.

My sense is that all the dyson fans believe new dyson models are lacking and not as good as past.

You could also include all Hoover, Eureka, Electrolux, Filter Queen etc fans in that statement.  Most would agree nobody makes anything as good as they used to whether it be a model from 5 years ago or 30 years ago. Sad.

Dusty

Very true.  We know how these brands have deteriorated in quality [not performance] over the years.  Suction power, rug cleaning performance, features, maintenance, and weight of the brands you cite are all much better today than their yester- year models.  They clean better, filter better, require less repair and maintenance, have added amenities and features, etc, etc.  And prices have come down.

Back to dysons.  DIB's post about dyson filtration.  The quintessential feature of dysons.  Filtration!  No need for bags that clog.  Right.  Originally, the dyson mantra was:  Never clogs, never loses suction.   With pre-motor filters needing cleaning annually in the DC07/14, save unusual conditions. 

The revised mantra: Never loses suction.  [True of all vacuums.] 

DIB says that the latest and greatest dysons [and still most expensive big box store brand] don't measure up to the DC07 for filtration.  Why?  In part, because the pre-motor filters call for cleaning every 3-4-5 months.  Hassle!  Like changing a paper bag plus daily/weekly dirt bin dumping with home air pollution!

Is this the new and improved dyson innvovation we all hear about?  Requiring a cadre of 500 engineers and enormous annual R&D spending? 

Carmine D.