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rjg2
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am |
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Hello, I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair. I am considering the above 2 or something else. I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments. I like the price of the Sanitaire. I also would like something that is reliable. Thanks for any help!
This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by rjg2
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mole
 
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #107 Jun 11, 2008 6:46 pm |
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Hello MOLE: Well spoken. Not only did the unknowing public buy into the dyson myth, but some supposed well repspected vacuum professionals too [well respected in their own minds]. You know them from posting on here and other vacuum sites. They long since changed their names on here. Gee, I wonder why? These psuedo pros fell for the dyson hype and myth too [rookies]. I can understand the public, but the professionals? Shame on them. The same psuedo vacuum pros defended the puny dyson brush bars too. They said brush agitation wasn't important for carpet cleaning with the 270 dyson air watts. Even resurrected the old vacuum industry myth that brush roll agitation wore out carpets. Vacuum history repeating itself. Remember in the 50's when Electrolux and Air-Way door to door sales people said the same about uprights and HOOVER in particular. Then they came out with power nozzles for carpet cleaning. Been there, saw that, know that. Carmine D. Hi Carmine,yes i well remember those claims, about how the HOOVER beater bar wore the wood off a pencil,and the pitch that went with it, if it took the wood off a pencil,imagine what it must be doing to your carpet?. And the most famous line of all you buy your carpeting by the yard and throw it away by the pound.[if you use anything but our vacuum,filterqueen,compact and even electrolux,airway,used this line. The one that really sticks in my mind is ELECTROLUX for years bashed uprights then all of a sudden in 1978 made one, I asked the customer all the time do you really think HOOVER or EUREKA would make a vacuum that would destroy your carpets the answer 100% of the time was NO. I can go on for hours about this stuff,but i'll stop here............ MOLE
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #108 Jun 11, 2008 6:49 pm |
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If you really want a vacuum that cleans better than the Bissell, and if you can afford it, Buy Dyson. I have used both and in my home the 3 year old Dyson outcleaned the new Bissell.
Hello HARDSELL:
Interesting with all you posted here, you didn't mention [post above] that you bought a DC14 and returned it because you were dissatisfied with it. Did you forget? No memory loss here. I like the 07 better than the 14. I like either better than the Bissell. Carmine, For as long as I can remember I have been the type to constantly try "something new". That is how I ended up with the Dyson, the Royal and the Kirby. Years ago I bought a Rainbow and gifted my Electrolux to my daughter. In the process of trying new products I cull those that are unsatisfactory. That is why I returned the likes of Kenmore, Panasonic and Oreck. Then you didn't mention you bought and used a BISSELL. Did you forget? Or is that like posting for 3 years that you owned a HOOVER WT bagless and speaking negatively about it, then finanly saying it was a HOOVER FUSION? Forget again? Again Carmine you need to read. I said the likes of. Not the only ones that were returned. The Bissell did better than the Oreck since you bring it up. I owned a WT bagged self propelled for a few years (not sure exactly how long). I inherired a bagless POS Hoover about 3 years ago. Probably used it 3 times and spent hours cleaning the screen and pleated filter. Pure junk. I bought a Fusion out of curosity. Better than the other bagless but still not worth keeping. Your imiganination runs wild when you miss your medications. Carmine, Read the bold type above. I used these for the length (or less) of the trial period only. They were not satisfactory so I returned them. 1. I finally used a DC07. Liked it and kept for about 3 years. During that time I had some carpet removed and installed wood floors. The carpet was in the highest trafficked area of my home and was about 7 years old. The flooring installer couldn't believe the cleanliness of the removed carpet. You will recall that during this time I had a Hoover Fusion for several months. Sold it because I thought the 07 was better. 2. I sold the DC07 after 3 years of use and bought the Royal. No problems with the Dyson. I was just in the mood for a change. One reason for buying the Royal was to see if there was any truth to your and other reports that independent stores offer better brands and service. The dealer is relatively new and is unlike all that I have visited in the past. Facility was clean and well stocked. Salesman seemed to be honest. Have not dealt with service so I can't comment Some brands he sells are Miele, Royal and Sanitaire. I was told by the salesman that the Royal would perform as good as the others. 3. I think you already know the story, however I will repeat. At the end of last year Sears had a promotion of 20% (could have been 15%, not positive) off fo items purchased on a Sears card. I called the Royal dealer to inquire about trading for a Dyson. He wanted more than I was wiling to give. I then purchased the DC14 from Sears. I did not like the 14 as much as the 07 so I returned it at end of trial period. 4. Early 2008 door bell rings. I am told that I can get a free carpet shampoo in my living room. Solicitor did not mention Kirby. When I asked if he was attempting to sell vacuums he replied "NO'. I knew what was coming at the end. I have lots of free time so I agreed to the demo. Solicitor went to his vehicle and came back with another person to do the shampooing. Solicitor left. I was told to vacuum the carpet before he shampooed. While I was vacuuming the salesman (posing as a shampooer) began to assemble his product. After I vacuumed he took a Kirby with his clear attachment and a filter and proceeded to vacuum. He vacuumed for a while and showed me the minute amount of dirt that the Royal left behind. I had not told him that I had been using the DC14 for a couple of weeks. Next trick is to take the filters and see how many the Kirby will hold against the sole plate before losing suction. Next try same on the Royal. No contest, Kirby won. I could see the thrill in his eyes. I asked if the same would happen with a Dyson and he said yes. I then brought out the Dyson DC14. You could see his enthusiasm drop when the Dyson held as many as his Kirby. Long story short I got the Kirby for less than $800 including tax. I wish that the Oreck performed to my total expectation, however it doesn't. I like the light weight, nimbleness in maneuvering and it leaves the carpet liiking well groomed. I dislike its cost, having to have a seperate vac for hose use and I never found evidence that it removed the proper amount of dirt. Perhaps the XL21 could have picked up more dirt if I had not already kept my carpet exceptionally clean with the DC07. I suppose that I am doomed to buy and try. However, I can't buy just because something is made in the USA. I also can't justify a purchase solely because the owner is a good fella or because he served in the military. If anyone uses this criteria alone the only candidate for president is John McCain and the others should be disqualified. Sorry for the lenght of my response. I just want to bring this to closure. On second thought I have only left room for a thousand more questions.  What did Shakespeare say? My what a web of deception mortals weave when they begin to deceive. Looks like it caught up with you. Carmine D. You have failed again. I deceived no one. Can't say the same about you. Maybe your wife should have run the business back when. After all she showed you the road to your Oreck. Now you know why I do not believe the pros like you.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #110 Jun 12, 2008 8:41 am |
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Hi Carmine,yes i well remember those claims, about how the HOOVER beater bar wore the wood off a pencil,and the pitch that went with it, if it took the wood off a pencil,imagine what it must be doing to your carpet?.
And the most famous line of all you buy your carpeting by the yard and throw it away by the pound.[if you use anything but our vacuum,filterqueen,compact and even electrolux,airway,used this line.
The one that really sticks in my mind is ELECTROLUX for years bashed uprights then all of a sudden in 1978 made one,
I asked the customer all the time do you really think HOOVER or EUREKA would make a vacuum that would destroy your carpets the answer 100% of the time was NO.
I can go on for hours about this stuff,but i'll stop here............
MOLE
Hello MOLE:
The door to door brands impugned HOOVER so much and so long with these falsehoods [resurrected by the psuedo dyson vacuum pros a half century later to defend the puny dyson brush bar], HOOVER compiled an industry booklet in the 50's. It contained letters of endorsement from all the major US rug makers attesting and certifying to the excellent performance of the HOOVER brand on rugs. Green book! Remember it well. Fast forward 50 years later, and the same vacuum industry myth gets spewed again. This time under the veil of pervasive lawsuits by vacuum users against HOOVER for rug damage. Remember the poster? A legend in his own mind. Trying to defend the indefensible. A sub standard industry brush roll: The puny dyson brush bar. What a crock! What a crock! Scare tactics used by psuedo vacuum pros duped by dyson hype and untrue claims. These so called pros still refuse to accept and tell the truth about dysons. Why? Because they were fooled and don't want to admit it. Carmine D.
This message was modified Jun 12, 2008 by CarmineD
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