Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

It will be interesting what CR says.  I do agree with what you said about the ratings, etc., *not* because CR is a reliable source, but because there will undoubtedly be buyers out there that take CR's ratings to be the gospel.  That right there will be the main influence, just because they don't know any better.  Sure, the DC15 was certainly not the best, but it was also far from the worst.  Why CR didn't like the DC18 is beyond me; once again part of their inconsistent ratings.  Aside from the small bin capacity, I really don't see anything wrong with it.  In one issue the DC18 was covered in their "claim check" up front and they bashed it there as well.  Again, I believe CR doesn't like it simply because it's a Dyson.  And a Dyson will never occupy their top-rated position for that reason, no matter how good it is.  That's just how they are. 

With the Tempo, "time-tested" could very well be synonymous with "outdated".  The Hoover Windtunnel/Tempo is like the Chevrolet Venture/Uplander of vacuums, for lack of a better comparison other than the fact that they are from the same year.  Sure, with a few cosmetic improvements they both can look reasonably modern (and even that's stretching it), but underneath it's the same old outdated design from 1996 that really wasn't that great in the first place.  Besides, I'm glad to report that we're out of the phase where the majority of vacuums out there are still made of grainy-textured black plastic like the 90's and the early part of this decade.  The only difference, obviously, is that CR likes the Tempo and hates the Uplander ;-)

-MH

Hi DIB

Thanks for posting the pictures and links.   The 'freeze frames' from the Gizmodo web site are good.  The pictures with James Dyson gives a better idea of size of these machines, the DC25 can not be that much bigger!  Looking at the brush bar on the DC24 and DC25 it looks like one piece which comes out one end unlike the DC15 and DC18 which had 2 pieces.  Post motor filter in the ball itself!  The ball looks bigger in the pictures to the original DC15!  These 2 new Ball Machines have been designed to be more sleek on the outside which gives the nozzle better clearance...not as slim as the DC18 at the base!  The DC24 and DC25 (and DC22) like impressive!

DC18

Motorhead wrote:

Not at all.  Synonymous with "classic."  Performance and price never go out of date.  It gets better with age.  Especially when the "latest and greatest" supposed innvovative competitors can't match up in price and/or performance. 

I don't agree that Consumer Reports is prejudiced against dyson by name and/or products.  I believe more accurately that CR is prejudiced against bagless machines and high priced-low to mediocre performing vacuums.  I empathize with CR and I fully understand its perspective and frame of reference. 

I believe that CR, especially over the last several decades, focuses on brand name vacuums sold by big box retail stores.  Sure Kirby, RICCAR, ORECK, Miele, SEBO, Filter Queen and Rainbow get reviewed continually.  Because of historical reasons and to round out the venue.  But, by and large CR caters to the likes and dislikes of consumers who shop at the big box retailers for vacuums.  This is dyson's sales venue of choice.  The ratings and rankings of vacuums are geared toward their interests and concerns.  Not vacuum collectors, vacuum enthusiasts, vacuum historians, and vacuum cleaner industry experts and professionals.  Hence, once again I say that this is the reason I never subscribe to CR except to buy an occasional monthly edition when the need arises. 

Carmine D.

This link below towards the end says the DC24 Ball does not come with a manual!! (also includes a link to an interview with Sir James Dyson)

http://www.dwell.com/daily/blog/13864047.html

DC18

DC18,

I'm glad you liked my info.  I indeed enjoyed reading and listening to the interview you posted, especially when James thru his vacuum to prove it was built tuff.  I was good to hear how respectful the interviewer was to James.  I read a press relase today that said Dyson has sold 24 million vacuums to date.        DIB

DIB

Just a few vacuums sold then!! I'm sure with these 3 new models a few more will be sold.  The DC24, DC25 and DC22 will do well in the UK.  Price point sare very good as well, the DC24 and DC25 not being anywhere near the original DC15 Ball.  Plus they are around the usual price points which is good!   Even though they are smaller and slim they are still built the same quality or course as the bigger models!  Which James Dyson proved to the interviewer! 

I'm interested to see all 3 models but in particular the DC24 and DC25 with especially the new nozzle on them!  From the first pictures the brush density on the brush bar looks the same as the DC15/DC18!  That aside the whole nozzle setup is completely new so will be interesting to see!

DC18

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Since dyson vacuums have been sold worldwide since 1984, that amounts to about 1 Million vacuums a year.  The annual number of new vacuums sold in the USA is about 20 Million, according to Consumer Reports.  And this number has been fairly consistent for the last 5 years counting.

To put the numbers in another perspective, Dirt Devil which has been selling its plastic body "bagged" (paper optional) handcleaners for about the same period of time, has sold over 25 million to date, according to Dirt Devil.  Just handcleaners.   In 2006, Dirt Devil was the leading seller of new vacuums in the USA for the period January 1-June 30, 2006, according to NPD.   NOT including its handcleaners.  Just vacuums, uprights and/or canisters.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Yay, was good to listen to an interview for once - thanks for the link. James was saying that they're nearly there on their robot cleaner (although that's been the company line for quite some time!). Also in the news this week was the announcement of a break-through in Li-ion technologies :-

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/17/586070.aspx

Regardless of the manufacturer, if they truly can improve batteries by this level, it will make high performance, affordable robot cleaners a reality.

Yeah the Robot vacuum was mention.  From what James Dyson said he wants to do is engineer a robotic vacuum that gives the same cleaning performance as his full size vacuums.  This alone will need a lot of battery power.  Interesting link - thanks M00seUK, on new battery technology.  Hope the Dyson Robotic vacuum will emerge sometime soon!

DC18

DC18 wrote:

'Mentioned in this forum before... Dyson (and others) have patents on robot cleaners that can handle mains-powered cables in the course of their 'run'. Not as fun or as practical as using a battery, but would allow for a deep clean at a low cost.