Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hey Carmine Man,

At the end of the day it is about physics and who puts forth (the basics) a vacuum that best uses
”in the public domain” 1)  off the shelf parts and/or 2) designs.  I am fully aware it takes many individual lengths to build a strong chain.  Dyson simply removed the weakest length…  Suction loss due to a clogged bag (and filter).

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Mole,

I answered your riddle within the framework of your post and no response?

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DIB

Hey Mr. DIB's:

I like that but prefer:  Hey, Carmine D. Vacuum Man.  Now you're talking physics and chemistry combined! 

It's always funny to read dyson fans' posts.  It's as tho the vacuum industry was in the dark ages until dyson suddenly appeared and rescued it.  Not quite.  Not even close.  In fact just the contrary.  

Dyson has a rough road to hoe.  With the competition like HOOVER, BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL {and yes even EUREKA} copying it and selling for less, dyson with its high prices is destined for extinction.  Especially in a deep recession and down global market with soaring oil prices.

One quote from dualcyclone/motor [don't know which] that I agree with [surprise, surprise] is this: Consumers don't remember who did it first, they remember who copied the best and sold it for less. 

 Carmine D.

Do I understand you?  Vacuums have basically been the same for 50 or more years.  Maybe a few color changes here and there.  Dyson has now been copied by almost all manufacturers and yet Dyson did nothing to change the industry.  Why didn't they just continue with bags that clogs and cause suction loss if Dyson didn't get the industry off it's ashes.

No doubt Dyson will have to change it's pricing to remain competetive with today's economy, however that is not justivication to imply that Dyson has not revolutionized the vacuum industry.  Your responses are as asinine as usual.

Hey DIBster:

Perhaps in the UK, I might partially agree.  Tho the dyson market share declines tell me otherwise.  Dyson competition has gained ground in the UK over the last 4 years and brands will probably surpass dyson's annual share of 28 percent in 2007, if not already. 

In the USA, I can't agree with you on any level.  Not with 10 percent of annual vacuum sales in units [at best and declining].  History is too recent to prove your statement accurate.  Time alone will tell.  If dyson doesn't succumb to the USA industry stalwarts like others have before [Fantom].   A fad that came and went.

Interestingly, in years past dyson sales results were posted here quarterly, semi-annually, and annually.  No more.  What happened?  An indication vacuum history is repeating itself [Fantom].

Carmine D.

Hey Duster Man:

It's called the "good old boy's club."  Also known as the experienced, seasoned, been there done that veterans of the industry.  I call us:  "The Old Guard."  There's a saying that youngins like you in the industry should heed:  What you are, we once were, what we are, you'll soon be. 

Carmine D.

Hey My main Man HS:

Of course not.  The vacuum industry has evolved over the last 100 years just fine without dyson and after dyson is long gone.  Sure, vacuum brands copy a $500 plus vacuum and sell it for $120 [low end vacuum prices and models].  It's called smart marketing and crushing your competition.  All industry companies do it.  Don't flatter yourself dyson fans.

It may be too late for dyson to drop prices and survive in the big box store venue.  Why?  Dyson gave too much time to its competitors to copy and sell better vacuums [dyson copies] for much less.  

Dyson's path of least resistance [read:  keep from competing against itself]  is to keep prices in the moderate to high range [$300-$400] and maintain a niche vacuum market.  Not a bad approach. 

Certainly, dyson has not achieved/will not achieve the predominant USA vacuum market share [in units] that many of its fans predicted years ago.  Not with 10 percent and falling.  Not with fair to middlin ratings from the pros and industry watchers.  And certainly not with its filter foibles and claims.  All of which add support to the Old Guard's long standing criticism of Mr. Dyson and his vacuums.

Dusty is right on the money.  Dyson's claim to fame in the vacuum industry is that it facilitated today's vacuum consumers to look at $500 plus vacuums without getting sticker shock.  For that, the Old Guard owes dyson a note of thanks and gratitude. 

Carmine D.