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M00seUK
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Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:59 pm |
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #57 Jul 14, 2008 8:33 am |
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Mole, Did you pull away from fantasy role playing and “Nailing Dyson’s to the Floor” long enough only so to name call? I understand Dyson’s separators well, you don’t. I understand my praises and my criticism’s here are indexed and far reaching. James Dyson can make his separators filter much better if he changes some beliefs. I know what I am doing and I know what to type to get the indexing I want. DIB O.K smart guy. Now i will pose another question for you to answer, What does dysons cyclonic technology [what ever system they are calling it this week],have to do with dust and dirt removeal out of the carpeting. My educated opinion is that it has absolutly nothing to do with performance or dirt removal, it does not mean SQUAT how many cyclones are used where they are located and inverted or sideways. Do you think Sir Jimmy wants me on his team? If you dont respond I'll know why. Have you ever indexed spark plugs, why dont you give it a try sometimes,Mr inventor........ MOLE Mole, Vacuum/Bag manufacturers cannot guarantee 100% suction strength while using their product/s. - Dyson can. So what does Dyson technologies have to do with performance? - Plenty. DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #58 Jul 14, 2008 8:45 am |
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Hey DIB Man: If suction alone were the performance standard for uprights and rug cleaning you would be right. It's not. Just as MOLE's point that filtration and air flow are not the performance standard. In fact far from it. Don't believe MOLE and me. Read the post that Motor man has on another thread here. Like you he is a dyson fan. Suction power [to pick up], brush roll design and function [ to agitate, loosen and groom], and filtration [to cool heated motor during operation and preserve the air quality in the room from the contained dirt/odors] all must combine in a perfect balance. When these are present on upright vacuums the result is an efficient and effective machine to properly clean and groom rugs and carpets. Of course, it takes a user with the inclination, wherewithal, and time to put the vacuum to proper use. Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #59 Jul 14, 2008 9:04 am |
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Ahh, yes and make it as easy as possible for the consumer to use, A big point is that manufactures tend to get so caught up in high tech,that they forget about the customer and [USER BENEFITS]. How many times have you heard customers complain about kirbys weight and attachment useage? Another point of intrest to me is that [DO people still have shag carpeting?], MOLE |
dusty
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #60 Jul 14, 2008 10:47 am |
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Another point of intrest to me is that [DO people still have shag carpeting?], MOLE Sadly, shag is making a bit of a comeback. Lets just hope it's short lived. Dusty
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #61 Jul 14, 2008 12:47 pm |
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Hey Carmine Man, At the end of the day it is about physics and who puts forth (the basics) a vacuum that best uses
”in the public domain” 1) off the shelf parts and/or 2) designs. I am fully aware it takes many individual lengths to build a strong chain. Dyson simply removed the weakest length… Suction loss due to a clogged bag (and filter). . Mole, I answered your riddle within the framework of your post and no response? . DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #63 Jul 14, 2008 2:59 pm |
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Hey Mr. DIB's:
I like that but prefer: Hey, Carmine D. Vacuum Man. Now you're talking physics and chemistry combined! It's always funny to read dyson fans' posts. It's as tho the vacuum industry was in the dark ages until dyson suddenly appeared and rescued it. Not quite. Not even close. In fact just the contrary. Dyson has a rough road to hoe. With the competition like HOOVER, BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL {and yes even EUREKA} copying it and selling for less, dyson with its high prices is destined for extinction. Especially in a deep recession and down global market with soaring oil prices. One quote from dualcyclone/motor [don't know which] that I agree with [surprise, surprise] is this: Consumers don't remember who did it first, they remember who copied the best and sold it for less. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #64 Jul 14, 2008 4:09 pm |
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Hey Mr. DIB's: I like that but prefer: Hey, Carmine D. Vacuum Man. Now you're talking physics and chemistry combined! It's always funny to read dyson fans' posts. It's as tho the vacuum industry was in the dark ages until dyson suddenly appeared and rescued it. Not quite. Not even close. In fact just the contrary. Dyson has a rough road to hoe. With the competition like HOOVER, BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL {and yes even EUREKA} copying it and selling for less, dyson with its high prices is destined for extinction. Especially in a deep recession and down global market with soaring oil prices. One quote from dualcyclone/motor [don't know which] that I agree with [surprise, surprise] is this: Consumers don't remember who did it first, they remember who copied the best and sold it for less. Carmine D. Hey Carmine D., Vacuum Man, There is a sub-culture of vacuum dealers and collectors that cannot get past James Dyson’s legitimacy in the industry, all the while Dyson has been credited in history as the one (his team too) who brought radically commercialized changes to the vacuum cleaner. Dyson and Dyson alone upped the game of vacuum manufacturing, no brag, just factual history. It’s funny to see so many vacuum dealers and their buddies cling to and sell the past as if it were new and/or the only or best solution to an old problem (vacuuming). DIB
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dusty
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #65 Jul 14, 2008 5:51 pm |
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Hey Carmine D., Vacuum Man, There is a sub-culture of vacuum dealers and collectors that cannot get past James Dyson’s legitimacy in the industry, all the while Dyson has been credited in history as the one (his team too) who brought radically commercialized changes to the vacuum cleaner. Dyson and Dyson alone upped the game of vacuum manufacturing, no brag, just factual history. It’s funny to see so many vacuum dealers and their buddies cling to and sell the past as if it were new and/or the only or best solution to an old problem (vacuuming). DIB It's called the Old Boys Club and sadly, every industry has it. Dusty
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson's 'Baby' launched
Reply #66 Jul 14, 2008 8:49 pm |
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Hey Mr. DIB's: I like that but prefer: Hey, Carmine D. Vacuum Man. Now you're talking physics and chemistry combined! It's always funny to read dyson fans' posts. It's as tho the vacuum industry was in the dark ages until dyson suddenly appeared and rescued it. Not quite. Not even close. In fact just the contrary. Dyson has a rough road to hoe. With the competition like HOOVER, BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL {and yes even EUREKA} copying it and selling for less, dyson with its high prices is destined for extinction. Especially in a deep recession and down global market with soaring oil prices. One quote from dualcyclone/motor [don't know which] that I agree with [surprise, surprise] is this: Consumers don't remember who did it first, they remember who copied the best and sold it for less. Carmine D.
Do I understand you? Vacuums have basically been the same for 50 or more years. Maybe a few color changes here and there. Dyson has now been copied by almost all manufacturers and yet Dyson did nothing to change the industry. Why didn't they just continue with bags that clogs and cause suction loss if Dyson didn't get the industry off it's ashes.
No doubt Dyson will have to change it's pricing to remain competetive with today's economy, however that is not justivication to imply that Dyson has not revolutionized the vacuum industry. Your responses are as asinine as usual.
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