Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

DC18 wrote:

iMacDaddy

I meant to say a scaled down version for an Upright Dyson Model.  The bin diameters on the Dyson canisters usually are bigger than the uprights.  The cyclones on the DC22 are smaller but there is more of them at a guess about 15 compared to the current models of 8 cyclones (previous models UK - DC08/DC08TW had 12 small cyclones).  I agree the Core Separation could have been adapted for the DC24 (even the DC25!) but looking at the bin capacity the bin must be smaller than the DC18 Slim.  The Core Separation on a bin and cyclone setup that small would need the out cyclones making smaller.  Where as the DC22 has a bigger bin diameter.  I'm sure Dyson is already working on this.

DC18

HI DIB & M00seUK

Thanks for posting the links/pictures.  You can certainly see how small the DC24 is in comparison to the DC15.  Be nice to see the DC25 along side the DC24 and DC15. The ball looks bigger and more prominent in the DC24 compared to the DC15 probably due to the post motor filter being in the ball this time.  As I've said before the new model looks sleeker and the ball design simpler and the cleaning head slimmer in height.  Doesn't look heavy to pickup like the picture shows for using the tools for above floor cleaning.

I'm intrigued as to how the change over valve works on this model (and the DC25) as the dirt path has changed on this new model.   Although the same basic design from the DC15 has been kept!

DC18

If you look at the links/picture DIB & M00seUk has posted you will see some sort of tool on the DC24, plus the woman using it for above floor cleaning has some sort of crevice tool on the end of the wand.  From website pictures on catalogue sites etc.. I believe the DC24 (and maybe the DC25) comes with the smae combi tool as the DC18 Slim - crevice and dusting brush combined!  Also looking at the side profile looks like the stair tool (or upholsterty tool!) clips in at the bottom near the hose!  Could be wrong!

DC18

M00seUK wrote:
Here's the back view, showing the handle release and retracting wheels (that look similar to the Slim):

http://item.slide.com/r/1/0/i/XkiW38-T0j-PbmpnGeJWYB9GDVcZ14oJ/

CarmineD wrote:
Rather interesting that they were (once again) comparing the Oreck to a Dyson designed for European carpets, the DC14.  Why?  Well, if they did this with a DC17 (which *was* designed for American carpets), the Oreck would lose.  As I mentioned before, the test machine is always the DC07, 14, or 15 used in videos/demos/etc. that bash Dysons.

Perhaps they weren't negative, but the ads *were* critical of the Dyson, so James answered by bringing out another machine ;-)

CarmineD wrote:
The difference here is that the DC24 is considerably lighter, therefore it would be considerably lighter at the handle end as well.  Since the handle is fully extended that would decrease the weight even more, as it would give the user more leverage.  Look at the side-by-side comparison picture of the DC24 and DC15...it's no wonder the DC15 is top-heavy!

CarmineD wrote:
Exactly.  That's 5 pounds of extra machine (with no wheels, no less) that has to be carried around since the hose is too short.  I don't know if it's changed over the years (the new design can't be that different but I can only hope they have), but the Oreck XL canister I had had a TINY bag capacity.  I was changing those things every couple of weeks because they would get so full.  And while it had strong suction, the airflow was practically nil even with a new bag.

At least with the Dyson, it can stay on the ground, AND as I mentioned before, it's one machine for both carpet and above-floor cleaning.  Either way, there's no doubt the airflow is better than the Oreck minicanister.

Motorhead wrote:

I conclude from your statement then that you agree with Oreck that the DC07, DC14, and DC15 were not designed for American carpets.  And it took dyson almost FIVE years to make an upright for US carpets.  If the DC17 is designed for US carpets, I pose the same question the Oreck customer asked: Why doesn't dyson submit the DC17 Absolute for testing and certification on US carpets by the Carpet and Rug Institute of America?  Like all Oreck uprights.

My sense is the DC17 and Oreck XL would come VERY VERY close in test comparisons on varoius carpets for cleaning.  And it would be very hard to declare an overall winner.  Plus the DC17 weighs 21 pounds vice the Oreck which is only 8.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

The DC24 should be compared to lightweight vacuums like the Sears Permalite and HOOVER Tempo even the SEBO Felix for manuevering and ease of handling.  Not a full sized vacuum.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

No, not exactly.  That's 8-10 pounds less than the dyson DC24.  And the Oreck compact canister does come with a shoulder strap.  And the paper bags, at least on the new Oreck compact canisters, are a decent size for a compact canister.  Like I said huge.  And even using the early models with smaller bags, the combined dirt capacities of the Oreck XL upright AND the compact canister are much larger than the DC24. 

Contrary to you,  I prefer TWO vacuums than 2 in 1: A lightweight upright as a daily user for rugs/floors and a lightweight canister for all the above the floor cleaning (once a week and/or as needed).  Not one vacuum for both cleaning modes ALL THE TIME.  I also expect both lightweight vacuums to perform as well as their full sized counterparts and not be more expensive to buy.  

Carmine D.