Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

Motorhead wrote:

I don't know about negative ads by Oreck, but recently when I was in an Oreck Clean Home Center, a customer was performing a test of the DC14 [average retail is $450] vice the Oreck XL Deluxe [average retail is $400].   For doing the in-store test, the Oreck customer gets a free gift.  I understand that the test has become a staple of the Oreck in-store sales.  

I heard the Oreck employee mention that Orecks are certified by the Rug and Carpet Institute of America.   And dysons are not.  The customer appeared interested in this fact and the literature that Oreck uses in concert with the demo.  When asked why by the customer, I thought the Oreck employee had a very good neutral [not negative] answer.  He said, with the supervision of the Manager of the store standing by, that dysons were made primarily for European carpets [even the US dyson models] which are less difficult to clean because they are lower pile than the American rugs and carpets.  Then the employee turned the Oreck and dyson over so the employee could see the differences in the brush rolls. 

I left shortly after this so I don't know if the customer bought the Oreck and what the free gift was for doing the test.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Just a remnder, the same argument was made by dyson with the DC15 which weighs 20 pounds.  When Consumer Reports tested the DC15 Ball, it countered the dyson claim by saying that the wrist, hand, elbow and arm weight of the DC15 was too heavy, awkward, and bulky for many of its testers.  Including the men.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

As a reminder, the Oreck compact canister is 5 pounds and has a HUGE dirt bag capacity.

Carmine D.

DC18 wrote:

iMacDaddy

I meant to say a scaled down version for an Upright Dyson Model.  The bin diameters on the Dyson canisters usually are bigger than the uprights.  The cyclones on the DC22 are smaller but there is more of them at a guess about 15 compared to the current models of 8 cyclones (previous models UK - DC08/DC08TW had 12 small cyclones).  I agree the Core Separation could have been adapted for the DC24 (even the DC25!) but looking at the bin capacity the bin must be smaller than the DC18 Slim.  The Core Separation on a bin and cyclone setup that small would need the out cyclones making smaller.  Where as the DC22 has a bigger bin diameter.  I'm sure Dyson is already working on this.

DC18

HI DIB & M00seUK

Thanks for posting the links/pictures.  You can certainly see how small the DC24 is in comparison to the DC15.  Be nice to see the DC25 along side the DC24 and DC15. The ball looks bigger and more prominent in the DC24 compared to the DC15 probably due to the post motor filter being in the ball this time.  As I've said before the new model looks sleeker and the ball design simpler and the cleaning head slimmer in height.  Doesn't look heavy to pickup like the picture shows for using the tools for above floor cleaning.

I'm intrigued as to how the change over valve works on this model (and the DC25) as the dirt path has changed on this new model.   Although the same basic design from the DC15 has been kept!

DC18

If you look at the links/picture DIB & M00seUk has posted you will see some sort of tool on the DC24, plus the woman using it for above floor cleaning has some sort of crevice tool on the end of the wand.  From website pictures on catalogue sites etc.. I believe the DC24 (and maybe the DC25) comes with the smae combi tool as the DC18 Slim - crevice and dusting brush combined!  Also looking at the side profile looks like the stair tool (or upholsterty tool!) clips in at the bottom near the hose!  Could be wrong!

DC18

M00seUK wrote:
Here's the back view, showing the handle release and retracting wheels (that look similar to the Slim):

http://item.slide.com/r/1/0/i/XkiW38-T0j-PbmpnGeJWYB9GDVcZ14oJ/

CarmineD wrote:
Rather interesting that they were (once again) comparing the Oreck to a Dyson designed for European carpets, the DC14.  Why?  Well, if they did this with a DC17 (which *was* designed for American carpets), the Oreck would lose.  As I mentioned before, the test machine is always the DC07, 14, or 15 used in videos/demos/etc. that bash Dysons.

Perhaps they weren't negative, but the ads *were* critical of the Dyson, so James answered by bringing out another machine ;-)

CarmineD wrote:
The difference here is that the DC24 is considerably lighter, therefore it would be considerably lighter at the handle end as well.  Since the handle is fully extended that would decrease the weight even more, as it would give the user more leverage.  Look at the side-by-side comparison picture of the DC24 and DC15...it's no wonder the DC15 is top-heavy!

CarmineD wrote:
Exactly.  That's 5 pounds of extra machine (with no wheels, no less) that has to be carried around since the hose is too short.  I don't know if it's changed over the years (the new design can't be that different but I can only hope they have), but the Oreck XL canister I had had a TINY bag capacity.  I was changing those things every couple of weeks because they would get so full.  And while it had strong suction, the airflow was practically nil even with a new bag.

At least with the Dyson, it can stay on the ground, AND as I mentioned before, it's one machine for both carpet and above-floor cleaning.  Either way, there's no doubt the airflow is better than the Oreck minicanister.