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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message   Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm
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Lucky1


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #361   May 13, 2008 11:56 am
HARDSELL wrote:
The fact that it takes so many uses to fill an Oreck bag and only a few days to fill a Dyson dirt bin tells me that the Oreck is leaving a lot of dirt in the home.  Thanks for confirming what the experts already knew.

I hope you are speaking in jest or just to bait Carmine...but just in case you don't realize...the "frothing effect" a Dyson does to dirt is fills the container, not the amount the vacuum picks up. Take a full container to an Oreck dealer (or any other bagged vacuum dealer) and vacuum up the dirt from the dirt cup and see how little the bag is filled.
HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #362   May 13, 2008 9:40 pm
Lucky1 wrote:
I hope you are speaking in jest or just to bait Carmine...but just in case you don't realize...the "frothing effect" a Dyson does to dirt is fills the container, not the amount the vacuum picks up. Take a full container to an Oreck dealer (or any other bagged vacuum dealer) and vacuum up the dirt from the dirt cup and see how little the bag is filled.



You are correct, but not for the reason that you say.  The real reason:  An Oreck won;t pick up that much dirt if you dump the Dyson on a hard surface.

CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #363   May 14, 2008 7:33 am
HARDSELL wrote:
You are correct, but not for the reason that you say.  The real reason:  An Oreck won;t pick up that much dirt if you dump the Dyson on a hard surface.



I highlighted the operative words.  I recommend the local dump.  Every county in the US has one, usually free for residents to use just for that purpose.  Although some county/city and states may charge a special dump fee for foreign made junk that is dropped off for recycle/waste/disposal.

Carmine D.

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Motorhead


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #364   May 14, 2008 6:16 pm
Picked up the May '08 issue of Better Homes and Gardens today, in their closet space/storage article they covered lightweight vacuums.  The Dyson DC24 was their overall top pick due not only to its "chic look" but also to excellent power in such a small package.  Other machines covered were the Hoover EmPower, Dirt Devil Featherlite bagless, Miele Callisto, Sebo Air Belt C2.1, and a Panasonic compact canister.
CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #365   May 14, 2008 6:52 pm
No Oreck?  The original and oldest lightweight in the USA.  No Riccar/Simplicity?  No Felix Sebo?  Doesn't sound like a very worthy list of lightweight contenders.  Just a few name uprights and canns in all price ranges from low to high.  Thanks for the heads up.  I will make plans to read.  Depending on the content and conclusions, I just might have to send in my response to that article and ask why the obvious standouts were left out. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #366   May 18, 2008 4:08 pm
Motorhead wrote:
Picked up the May '08 issue of Better Homes and Gardens today, in their closet space/storage article they covered lightweight vacuums.  The Dyson DC24 was their overall top pick due not only to its "chic look" but also to excellent power in such a small package.  Other machines covered were the Hoover EmPower, Dirt Devil Featherlite bagless, Miele Callisto, Sebo Air Belt C2.1, and a Panasonic compact canister.


From my reading of the article, all the vacuums reviewed get high marks for their perfomance and size.  None gets knocked down with any cons.  HOOVER EmPower gets the feature views in all the closets illustrated in the article.  And the HOOVER EmPower gets kudos for the hush mode and fold down handle.  This HOOVER model has been around since the spring of 2004 and still very pervasive among all the big box retailers.  It is also a Consumer Reports' pick too for lightweight, full size power and inexpensive price tag.   

I will write Better Homes & Gardens and ask why the Oreck was conspicuously omitted.  Curious to see what they say, if anything.

Carmine D.

This message was modified May 18, 2008 by CarmineD
HARDSELL


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #367   May 18, 2008 5:39 pm
CarmineD wrote:
From my reading of the article, all the vacuums reviewed get high marks for their perfomance and size.  None gets knocked down with any cons.  HOOVER EmPower gets the feature views in all the closets illustrated in the article.  And the HOOVER EmPower gets kudos for the hush mode and fold down handle.  This HOOVER model has been around since the spring of 2004 and still very pervasive among all the big box retailers.  It is also a Consumer Reports' pick too for lightweight, full size power and inexpensive price tag.   

I will write Better Homes & Gardens and ask why the Oreck was conspicuously omitted.  Curious to see what they say, if anything.

Carmine D.



No Oreck?  The original and oldest lightweight in the USA.

They will likely tell you that they only recommend based on performance and not the age of the manufacturer.  Years in business does not = best performance.  After many years of being one of the best  we already know how Hoover quality and performance declined to the point that they sold.  Oreck  at it's best can't compare to the worst Hoover.  They should close and quit bilking the old uneducated consumers.

CarmineD


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #368   May 18, 2008 7:07 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
No Oreck?  The original and oldest lightweight in the USA.

They will likely tell you that they only recommend based on performance and not the age of the manufacturer.  Years in business does not = best performance.  After many years of being one of the best  we already know how Hoover quality and performance declined to the point that they sold.  Oreck  at it's best can't compare to the worst Hoover.  They should close and quit bilking the old uneducated consumers.


HS:

I'll be sure to let you know if they respond.

Carmine D.

Trilobite


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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #369   May 20, 2008 8:36 pm
DC18 wrote:
Trilobite

I know what you mean, I bet if someone did the same with a DC14 it would feel different!  More powerful.  I have tried it on my DC15 and what a difference plugging up that hole mades, so much so that i can hardly push it a easily as before.  The carpet pile lifts so much better and I could see the carpet being lift where the nozzle was!

DC18


I tried it with a DC14, and did not notice any difference in carpet hugging ability (half-inch pile depth).

Comparing the two unmodified cleaners, DCs14 & 15, I would say that the DC15 has the better cleaning ability on plusher type carpets, and DC14 is better on short pile carpets. If you have a mixture of carpets, then you need a mixture of Dyson cleaners! Absolutely daft.

And thus we come to another little design problem: the lack of a "carpet height right control". From what I gather, auto-floating cleaner heads don't suit all types of carpet, hence the introduction of the pile height adjuster.

If Dyson is treading in Hoover's footsteps (or sweep path!), and it certainly seems to be a case of Dyson re-inventing the wheel, wouldn't it be more sensible to incorporate tried and tested designs that work, that others have already proven?

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #370   May 21, 2008 8:08 am
Hello Trilobite:

Many posters here and elsewhere, myself included, have cited the dyson's lack of a rug adjustment as a major drawback.  Especially when you compare with less expensive models which make this feature a standard in the industry.

HOOVER made the self-adjusting rug height claim in the early 60's with the Dial-a-matic.  It was flawed for medium to thick carpets, which made the Dial impossible to use.  HOOVER soon added rug adjustments and even the power feature which is still in use today on HOOVER [and even other brands].

One of dyson's weaknesses is its complete failure to know and apply past vacuum history and experience to its models.  Sub par brushbar on the DC07/14 and lack of height adjustments are 2.  Dyson corrected the first after several years but not the last.

Carmine D.

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