Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK:

I don't agree.  Dyson sales have made gains from year to year due to increases in prices and expanding into new markets.  Dyson has lost market share in units and percentages to the competition in the UK since 2004 and not gained it back.   What is dyson now in the UK?  About 30 percent? 

The ball technology of 2005 is old.  What do you think is new and better from dyson in the last 6 years [in the USA] that makes dyson worthy of the 'premium' prices?   

It appears from the commentary on the DC25 that dyson has finally come up with a brush roll that meets US standards.  After only 6 years of trying!   What kind of R&D is this?  No, the R&D is not spent on vacuums.  It's spent on other things that have no bearing on vacuums.

Carmine D.

Carmine, you've missed my point. What I am saying is that I believe it's highly unlikely that Dyson would introduce a 'self adjusting speed control' feature in the near future, because at the moment in time they have more than enough product differentiators from the competition. They may well have looked in to it, they may have filed patents on their own method.. but unless they believe they will lose major market share by not having it, it won't be added... at least not to an upright. Robot cleaner, perhaps - but you're talking a whole new price level with that segment.

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK:

Dyson is too late on the robotic vacuum market in the USA.  Rhomba iRobot, which launched in October 2002, has a lock on it now.  iRobot is on it's 5th generation of robotic vacuums.  Prices range from $100 for the garage dirt dog to $279 for it's top of the line.  Dyson missed the boat with this emerging market in a big way.  Why?  Let's see: What was dyson working on?  Failed contra rotating washer, scrubbed in 2005; the $1400 airblade hand drier with languishing sales for the past 2 years.  Both products a huge waste of time and resources IMHO.  [Sorry Airblade-Matt mmc].

I didn't miss your point.  I disagree with your point.  If a company is content to increase yearly profits solely by expanding the same old products to new markets, it's heading on a collision course with the competition.  And it will eventually lose.  Look at the decline of dyson vacuum sales and market share since 2004 in the UK for the proof. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I said this about Hoover just re introducing the same old junk and you disagreed.  Of course you now agree since Dyson is doing similar things. 

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

I never said I invented the reasoning.  I'll agree that you said it about HOOVER.  And I'll say it about dyson now.  You should have no problem agreeing with me/Mole, since you are the originator of the observation.  

One might opine that Mr. Dyson is worse off than HOOVER by not profiting from the HOOVER errors.  Instead, Mr. Dyson is taking the same path.  Living off his laurels.  I don't take credit for making the latter observation either.  Mole said it a few posts up in number 322.  His later question to me about TTI and HOOVER is directly related to that post's point and this subsequent series of exchanges.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

HARDSELL:

To validate your and Mole's concurrence on the dyson-HOOVER comparison, I took the liberty to quote Mole's words in post 269 on this thread.   I didn't disagree with him. 

Fact is that later in post 331, I say that Mr. Dyson has not produced any improvements to the dyson vacuums in the last 6 years in the USA.  Save finally revamping the brush roll on the DC25, according to comments provided by posters. 

Are there products and/or improvements that you want to site that I missed?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Dyson UK sales:  According to British newspapers, clones and resentment hurt Dyson sales..  The Guardian and, “Dyson’s Domestic Dilemma.”         DIB

DIB:

Thanks for the articles.  I've read both before but despite their age were worth a reread.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Hello Mole:

I have mixed feelings about the TTI buyout of HOOVER and future HOOVER prospects.  Certainly, Maytag ruined HOOVER.  But HOOVER didn't help matters going back to the 60's.  As a dealer, it was evident to me and others in the business that HOOVER made the decision to cater to the bog box retailers, at the expense of the independents who were their faithful flock.

It appears TTI may have proved me wrong on the Anniversary HOOVER edition.  I'm still waiting to see this model and scope it out at BEST BUY.  I hope it's a contender.  HOOVER is still a widely recognized and renown name in floorcare.  It has many acclaimed floorcare products.  But the quality of these products like the HOOVER vacuums have deteriorated.  Will TTI improve it?  I don't know but I am hopeful.

Carmine D.

DIB:

WRT Consumer Reports and its ratings and assessment of dyson vacuums, it's noteworthy and commendable that dyson was second in reliability in March 2008 to Kirby [which has maintained the number one spot for years].  Certainly this must make Mr. Dyson smile and feel good.  Even if only one of his dyson models in the last 6 years make the top 10 CR ratings [DC17].

Carmine D.