Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

DC18 wrote:

The DC18 does not have a ball wheel IMHO.  It's something else unnamed.  I think Mr. Dyson was experimenting with spin-offs of the ball wheel on the DC18.  Then, he decided to go back to the original DC15 design ball on the DC24/25.   

Ironically, GE crossed the same bridge in the early 60's.  It called its wheel a ball but it was more on the order of the DC18 design and operation [more correctly the dyson DC18 is on the order of the GE].  A center placed oblong wheel and not a round ball.

If I can sum up the consensus correctly it would appear that the dyson DC18 is not the preferred wheel/maneuverability configuration for upright dyson vacuums.  Instead the original dyson ball [DC15, 24, 25] is better and more preferred. 

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Mole:

Congrats, you hit on the 2 in over 40 years that fit DIB's description.  Not ironic that they are brothers. 

Carmine D.

HI Carmine, miele has had this set up in their canisters the mid range S class for a long time,I do not know of any uprights that do this as of now, WORD ON THE STEET HAS IT THAT IF IT COMES TO MARKET IN UPRIGHTS LOOK FOR EITHER MIELE,LINDHAUS,SEBO,AND EVEN THE UNINNOVATIVE AMERICAN COMPANY KIRBY.

I would like to add that panasonic in the late 80s early 90s had the electronic speed control on their uprights,How about the hoover electronic 1000 canister from the 70s now sought after by collectors.

  MOLE

Thanks Mole.  Keep me posted.  I like that feature on an upright vacuum cleaner.  Ideal for throw/area rugs! 

The HOOVER Z has a spinoff of this type of feature but it is manual/user controlled.  Called DigiTouch Control Pad.  Adjusts automatically to rug height and gentleness after the user touches the desired settings. 

Carmine D.

Carmine, do you think that TTI is going to get hoover back where it belongs or just let them wallow in the mess that their in now,the name of game today is quality and longevity,which the overseas vacuum manufactures except the germans just settle for peddeling mediocre overpriced plastic garbage.


IT just seems to me that product quality is of no concern anymore,just lots of hype and getting rewarded for screwing the public................

  MOLE

mole wrote:
I doubt that Dyson would consider this feature in the short-term. Not that it doesn't have merit for some people, just that it wouldn't make business sense for them.
If they are already beating most of the competition with their unique, premium-priced, shaped plastic models, to introduce a feature such as this would reduce their sales margin and have an impact on reliability / servicing.

The other machines need every 'draw' they can to get people to consider them over Dyson for the price. Dyson bets their market longlitivity with their ongoing R&D spend.

mole wrote:

Mole:

Let me think on this first and then answer.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK:

I don't agree.  Dyson sales have made gains from year to year due to increases in prices and expanding into new markets.  Dyson has lost market share in units and percentages to the competition in the UK since 2004 and not gained it back.   What is dyson now in the UK?  About 30 percent? 

The ball technology of 2005 is old.  What do you think is new and better from dyson in the last 6 years [in the USA] that makes dyson worthy of the 'premium' prices?   

It appears from the commentary on the DC25 that dyson has finally come up with a brush roll that meets US standards.  After only 6 years of trying!   What kind of R&D is this?  No, the R&D is not spent on vacuums.  It's spent on other things that have no bearing on vacuums.

Carmine D.

Carmine, you've missed my point. What I am saying is that I believe it's highly unlikely that Dyson would introduce a 'self adjusting speed control' feature in the near future, because at the moment in time they have more than enough product differentiators from the competition. They may well have looked in to it, they may have filed patents on their own method.. but unless they believe they will lose major market share by not having it, it won't be added... at least not to an upright. Robot cleaner, perhaps - but you're talking a whole new price level with that segment.

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK:

Dyson is too late on the robotic vacuum market in the USA.  Rhomba iRobot, which launched in October 2002, has a lock on it now.  iRobot is on it's 5th generation of robotic vacuums.  Prices range from $100 for the garage dirt dog to $279 for it's top of the line.  Dyson missed the boat with this emerging market in a big way.  Why?  Let's see: What was dyson working on?  Failed contra rotating washer, scrubbed in 2005; the $1400 airblade hand drier with languishing sales for the past 2 years.  Both products a huge waste of time and resources IMHO.  [Sorry Airblade-Matt mmc].

I didn't miss your point.  I disagree with your point.  If a company is content to increase yearly profits solely by expanding the same old products to new markets, it's heading on a collision course with the competition.  And it will eventually lose.  Look at the decline of dyson vacuum sales and market share since 2004 in the UK for the proof. 

Carmine D.