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M00seUK
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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm |
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #311 Apr 11, 2008 1:41 pm |
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DIB: As an active and now retired vacuum industry professional, I always recommended to vacuum buyers to read and use Consumer Reports as a starting place. Not the definitive results. CR is a guide not the gospel for vacuums. The CR test results need an expert's commentary and analysis. That's where the Moles and I of the vacuum world come in IMHO. But after 6 years in the USA market and as many models, over 5000 prototypes and employing 500 engineers, one and only one dyson vacuum, the DC17, barely makes the CR top 10. Mr. Dyson's reputation as an engineer is sullied by that fact. IMHO. CR reviews vacuums twice a calendar year. March and October. In between their semi-annual review editions, CR will preview new vacuum makes and models in monthly editions. I do not subscribe to CR and never have. I've received it as a gift subscription from time to time. I prefer to buy selected editions off the magazine rack when I please. Carmine D. Well taken. . I believe CR is much more deceptive by design than you believe (with vacuum reviews). I tell you what, I feel sorry for any vacuum manufacture that takes the financial risks and puts in the hard work developing new and innovative products when reviewed at CR. When it’s in CR’s best interest they will build a dumbed down test, just so the new innovative product looks bad. Making donors happy thereby making payroll comes first, readers come second. . Being a fair minded or reasonable…. CR’s assessments should be taken with salt. An indie’s assessments should be taken with salt. Are the millions of Dyson users here in America who assess and then say “They Love Their Dyson’s”, are their assessments respected or passed on to potential customers by indie’s? DIB
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #312 Apr 11, 2008 1:46 pm |
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A friend and I was at Best Buy today, and had a chance to check out both the DC24 and DC25. The DC24 is incredibly small, and the brushroll is not as aggressive as those on other dyson models. The DC25 did have a better brush roll that is as large as the roller on the DC18. However, the bristles were arranged in thicker bunches than on the DC18 brush roll. I didn't try out the DC24 because I was mainly interested in the DC25. The 25 was easy to maneuver, and didn't have the same high pitch whine coming from the brush motor as the DC15/18, due to the use of a belt as opposed to a gear drive. Some users here have commented on the brush speed of the DC25 being faster than previous models, however, I could not tell the difference. To the touch, the brush roll spun at the same RPM's as on the DC18. However, I believe the shorter, thicker bunches of bristles would attribute to better surface cleaning and improved deep cleaning with the 25 as opposed to older models with taller, thinner bunches of bristles on the roller (sans DC17). I popped the lid off the Ball to extract the post-hepa filter that needs cleaning every three months, and it appears to be a water proof pleated filter. I'm interested in knowing if it would need cleaning at all. I used the DC25 in the music section where it was carpeted, and noticed much brown filth filling the container instantaneously. I think the new brush roll design really helps out in that respect, because I've demoed DC07's and DC14's in the same area on several occasions, and have never seen dirt enter the container as fast as it did with the DC25. After using the machine, I inspected the new unused prefilter, only to see that dirt has already soiled its clean surface. As a DC17 owner, I was disappointed by this, because dyson is touting this as its flagship vacuum, which can't filter squat compared to my DC17. After a couple months of use, my pre-filter is still white, and with the exception of a few grains of sand, is relatively clean as on the day it was delivered to my door step. I really wish that they could have used DC17 container on this machine rather than the DC18 bin. I don't think adding a couple of pounds by using the more sophisticated filtration system would make this machine a heavy weight monstrosity. Overall, I see the DC25 being a good step up from the DC18 because of its improved brushroll. It is especially better than the DC15 Animal that they had discounted for $449 (I hope they replace it with the DC25 Animal that is currently sold in the UK, the DC15 is simply unnecessary now). Thanks for your review! I was somewhat disappointed hearing the pre-motor filter dirtying as you say. DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #313 Apr 11, 2008 1:47 pm |
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Are the millions of Dyson users here in America who assess and then say “They Love Their Dyson’s”, are their assessments respected or passed on to potential customers by indie’s? DIB
DIB:
Should theirs be? Or are they the same American users that are part of your sociological assessment as falling into the category: " ..[wrong], lazy and fairly stupid too." DIB Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #314 Apr 11, 2008 3:32 pm |
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DIB: Should theirs be? Or are they the same American users that are part of your sociological assessment as falling into the category: " ..[wrong], lazy and fairly stupid too." DIB Carmine D. Mole attacked Mr. Dyson (one of many, many shameless attacks, all the while you sit on your hands) and his benevolent $50 million dollar gift and school for kids to learn to innovate and engineer. This should ultimately produce thousands of jobs and steams of tax income into/for the UK and perhaps other countries. I defended the good. . I’m setting the record straight…. “Suits” in general of American vacuum cleaner manufacturing are “lazy and fairly stupid.” I have seen it first hand and am in the position to comment. When it comes to respecting, understanding, appreciating and courting innovation and inventors American vacuum manufacturers do not lead. I have much respect for the hard working and moral, no matter their vocation. Mole, nor Carmine are going to take my words and spin them. . I'll say it again... I respect the opinions and vocations of the hard working and moral. DIB P.S. Can you back up in scripture your support of Mole when attacks a race? Namely when you glossed and/or supporte him calling the Japanese "Japs". Holy is as Holy does.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #315 Apr 11, 2008 3:34 pm |
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HI D.I.B., since im considered an uninformed, no talent, and overweight not to mention ugly son of a gun, could you please enlighten us as how long a dyson lasts before needing major service. Keeping in mind the people that buy vacuums are lazy and fairly stupid too. B.T.W. you take nice pictures, how much does dyson pay you?
Whens the contract between dyson and L.G. expire,being the Expert you are i thought maybe you would know,since you head is tucked up Jimmys butt
have a nice day
THE-MOLE
WHATS A USED DYSON WORTH
Mole,
Your spinning is of no avail... Mole, you attacked Mr. Dyson (one of many, many shameless attacks) and his benevolent $50 million dollar gift and school for kids to learn to innovate and engineer. This should ultimately produce thousands of jobs and steams of tax income into/for the UK and perhaps other countries. I defended the good. . I’m setting the record straight…. “Suits” in general of American vacuum cleaner manufacturing are “lazy and fairly stupid.” I have seen it first hand and am in the position to comment. When it comes to respecting, understanding, appreciating and courting innovation and inventors American vacuum manufacturers do not lead. I have much respect for the hard working and moral, no matter their vocation. Mole, you nor Carmine are going to take my words and spin them, I reserve Lazy and Stupid for those Suits who are. DIB I’ll say it again… I respect the opinions and vocations of the hard working and moral.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #316 Apr 11, 2008 5:42 pm |
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DIB: You own your words and opinions. You have to live with them. I don't share your opinion with regard to American vacuum buying consumers and professionals. Based on my vacuum industry experience, I found vacuum customers and industry peers to be right almost 100 percent of the time, very hard working and very intelligent. I can count on one hand the number of my customers/fellow industry experts who fit your description. To answer your question about respect for and inclusion of dyson users' opinions by vacuum store owners and operators: I can only speak and answer for me. I respect and include theirs along with all others. Even, if I personally and professionally disagree. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #317 Apr 11, 2008 6:25 pm |
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P.S. Can you back up in scripture your support of Mole when attacks a race? Namely when you glossed and/or supporte him calling the Japanese "Japs". Holy is as Holy does.
DIB:
First, I did neither of what you say. You are more of a biblical scholar than me. I recall a passage in the new Testament gospels when the scribes and pharisees put Jesus to the test on what should be done with the biggest whore in Palestine. Under Jewish law the penalty was death by stoning. Jesus, a Jew, knew the law. But He is also merciful, compassionate and forgiving. What is His answer to the crowd of men? And to the woman? Carmine D.
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DC18
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #318 Apr 11, 2008 6:44 pm |
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Great review of the DC25 iMacDaddy, I have to say I was impressed with the brush bar on the DC25 much better than the DC15/18. I had a look on the UK Dyson website and both the DC24 and DC25 have a removable nozzle head like the DC18 Slim, with the DC24 having a retaining clip once you push the head on! Bucks03 I agree with you with regards to Dyson making a slim machine, the ball is a very good concept/design but makes the machines bulky. The DC03 (UK) was a very good machine, slim could lie flat to go right under furniture and was light to use. Dyson should do a updated version of this machine. The only draw backs for me where the power (700 watt motor) with about 90 airwatts and the brush bar. Put the DC25 brush bar on it and increase the power airwatts (maybe use the DDM as it's light and small) with the new wand design and slightly larger rear wheels and you have a successor to the DC03! DC18
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DC18
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #319 Apr 11, 2008 6:56 pm |
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Hi DIB I like the DC18 Slim to as my Mum uses one. The slim as the same motor wattage and airwatts in the UK as the DC15. The power nozzle on the slim is ok prefer the one on the DC15 with its metal soleplate. I like the idea you can remove the power nozzle on the slim like you can on the DC24/25. The DC25 may replace the slim as UK shops near me have dropped the DC18 since the DC24 and DC25 have been launched! The DC25 did feel lighter to the DC18 Slim to me. Thats because the motor is higher up on the slim to the DC25 using full ball technology (motor in ball V's small empty ball - slim). The carrying handle is only higher on the DC18 due to the motor position if this was lower so would be the carry handle on the top of the bin! A re-designed slim taking into account the DC03 model could be a consideration as an alternative to the ball technology. The small ball on the slim does not work as well as the bigger ball models (DC15/24/25) We in the UK have only had the slim with the handle facing behind, all other UK Dyson have been front facing which I prefer! I can see you point! DC18
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HARDSELL
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #320 Apr 11, 2008 9:16 pm |
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HI D.I.B., since im considered an uninformed, no talent, and overweight not to mention ugly son of a gun, could you please enlighten us as how long a dyson lasts before needing major service. Keeping in mind the people that buy vacuums are lazy and fairly stupid too. B.T.W. you take nice pictures, how much does dyson pay you?
Whens the contract between dyson and L.G. expire,being the Expert you are i thought maybe you would know,since you head is tucked up Jimmys butt
have a nice day
THE-MOLE
WHATS A USED DYSON WORTH
Mole, if only you could be as honest about Dyson as you are about yourself.
You probably are correct about vacuumm buyers before Dyson because the bought the over priced excrement sold by indies who conned then into believing their investment would be protected. Truth is the indies were getting rich on supplies, parts and labor. Now Dyson has taken that away and the indies are sooo envious.
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