Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

Motorhead wrote:

The dyson G-force sold door to door starting in 1983.  From 1982-84 dyson tried to sell the design to European firms.  No luck.  He sold the rights to an American firm in 1984.  The buyer pulled out.  Dyson took it to Japan and it was successful.  Dyson sued his former American licensee for patent infringement over a machine brought out after the breakup.  It was settled and with the royalties dyson built the 1992 Malmesbury plant.  Dyson's dual cyclone in both upright and canister was launched in the UK in 1993.  You can say that the lawsuit proceeds financed dyson's vacuum launch.

The dyson sales have not been consistently one million a year.  But for lack of the sales data and statistics, which jaydee holds close to his vest, an average can only be estimated by doing the simple math.  Units divided by years.  You can extrapolate the sales number further to the countries where the products are sold.  This further reduces market share by units in any one geographic location.  If I had to venture a guess, I'd say Japan would be dyson's best vacuum sales market [not the UK as one may think]. Quite the contrary only one third of the Brits buy dysons every year.  So the majority of Brits buy and use another brand vacuum not dyson.

Carmine D.

  <  New York Times.

There was a bagless cleaner sold via the "Innovations" Catalogue in 1988/89 (small technology catalogue, normally enclosed with the weekend papers).

I think this machine had the dry-powder cleaning function. It was rather expensive, about double that of the Hoovers and Electroluxes at the time.

The trouble is, I cannot remember if it was sold as  "Dyson" or if it was one of those "Iona" imported cleaners. (I believe some were imported, am I correct?)

Baby dyson ball won't get under furniture, beds, sofa, and cushion chairs.  Not with that huge monstrosity of a ball wheel.  Ditch the ball wheel, make the dirt bin larger, put some rear wheels on the power head, drop the price by half, and it will sell a million units in the first year in the USA.

Carmine D.

Trilobite wrote:
I remember those.  Here it was sold as the NovaDry, and then later the Capture Drytech machine.  One of the things I found interesting about these was that the instructions said that it was not to be used as a regular vacuum cleaner.  This was because the suction inlet/ducting was a small diameter...it could handle the dry powder (and the debris within) but not larger dirt.  I found this out later.

-MH

CarmineD wrote:
Hi DIB,

Again, great information.  This picture clearly shows the small size of the machine; I couldn't really tell from watching the Gizmodo video or looking at the website.  Very neat, the more I see it the more I want one.  If it had the DDM I'd spring for one in a split-second. 

Hi Carmine,

The reason for the large ball wheel is probably because that the motor is contained within (and the motor's large size).  The reason the Slim has a smaller ball, I believe, is that the motor is mounted differently.  One way they *could* possibly make the ball smaller on the DC24 is to put a DDM in it.  I understand the DDM is smaller and since it turns at such a high speed, it does not need to have a large fan.  Since it's a small machine it would be the perfect candidate for the DDM.  Then again, that's just my wishful thinking for a DDM-equipped US machine taking over ;-)

-MH

So does the Dyson DC25 use Core Seperation?  If not, why?  And furthermore, what's with the design of the motorhead; it looks like it has a dual brushroll set-up going on.  Also, isn't the DC24 a bit of a redundancy, especially next to the DC18?  Overall, not bad for a heavily redesigned DC15, however, I would also like to see the DC17 brushroll, Level 3/Core Seperation, and possibly the DDM on a Dyson Ball model one of these days.  But for now, I will be sticking with my DC18.

Update:  I just read on a retailers site that the DC25 only weight 12 pounds; very impressive.  It is listed as a pre-order item only for $499, and they say it will ship in mid-March....Basically, the DC18 has nothing that stands out.

Motorhead wrote:

Probably so.  For a lightweight supposedly quick and easy daily user, the huge monster mounted ball wheel defeats the baby dyson ball purpose.  It limits the vacuum's usage rather than increasing it which is the purpose of the ball: More manueverability.  Not under the bed, furniture and low cushionn chairs.  User still has to move the furniture out of the way to clean underneath.  I'd use the $35 HOOVER Cordless Slider and/or Oreck Classic. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I really don't think people vacuum blindly under furniture/beds blindly; there is always rubbish like coins, socks, small toys, or other large debris than can cause serious damage to your machine.  I would seriously think that people who operate $300-$600 vacuum cleaners would be more mindful of that than someone who could care less about maintaining a working vacuum cleaner and regularly cycle through $50 bargain vacs.  I always move my furniture/beds before vacuuming the carpet under them, or get down and inspect the floor underneath with the cleaning wand in hand to clean under those hard to reach areas.  As long as the Dyson Ball vacs have that low profile motorhead that can roll under extruded kitchen/bathroom cabinets, I could care less if I can't blindly ram it under a couch or a bed, because IMO, that's asking for trouble.

iMacDaddy wrote:

Different strokes for different folks.

I have a English yellow lab who sheds year round.  And a dear Wife who has sinus and allergy issues year round.  Our bedrooms are carpetted.  The lab's hair gets under the bed and bedroom furniture daily.  I wouldn't want to move the bed and bedroom furniture weekly to vacuum up the hair and dust.  Like most, there are books, TV and radios, clocks, clothes, portraits and jewelry weighing down the pieces.  Hair and dust [did I mention I live in the desert] always gather in the nooks and crannies up close to the base board and wall near the bed and furniture and around the legs.  I wouldn't want to move the bed and furniture out weekly to use a $500-$600 upright vacuum to clean underneath.  I don't have the time.  Let alone my dear Wife who spends most her time with our 2 grand daughters [and another on the way].

Instead, I use the $35 HOOVER Slider [weighs 2-3 pounds with a revolving brush roll and no cord] /$150 Oreck [weighs 8 pounds] AT LEAST once a week to get the dog hair and dust that inevitably accumulates under the beds and furniture.  And throughout the year, usually seasonally, I'll move the matress and bed and bedroom furniture to do more thorough cleaning.  In part to make sure there are no big and little items under there so I can continue to do my weekly vacuuming in these out of sight places. 

My dear Wife uses the Slider and Oreck for the same reasons.  And she loathes vacuuming with a passion.  If she had to move the furniture and bed to vacuum under with the $400 dyson DC07 pink, she wouldn't.  She can't.  She uses the Slider to vacuum the lab hair on the beds' comforters [our lab has the run of the house and likes to sleep alot on the beds.  She's old like me].  CAn't do that with the baby dyson ball.  Slider works very well.   My dear Wife loves me in part for these vacuums.  Makes her life much easier.  And mine too.  Happy Wife, happy life.

I guess that's why they call it a "Slider."  And not a slammer, ball, and/or rammer.  And they call the Oreck: Simply Amazing!

Carmine D.