Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

DC18 wrote:

CarmineD wrote:

My guess is price first and weight second were the primary reasons for lack of DC15 sales.  Today, I would recommend and purchase a DC15 over the DC17.  Dyson's own stats do not give the 17 greater numbers (airwatts) over the 15.  I have yet to read how long until a DC17 can go before the required filter washing.- Does the 17 actually filter better? - If so, why does not Dyson advertise this?  Bottom line for me, the 15 turns and can be whipped around, the 17 can't.        DIB

DIB

I have to say the DC25 turns as good as the DC15 (with the DC15 still having the edge!), the DC18 comes no way near to the DC25 or DC24 from my observations and usage!  I wouldn't say the DC25 is a replacement for the DC18 Slim, the DC15 maybe.  The Slim will always be a unique in the Dyson line like the DC03 was.  The slim body and wide head with a version of the ball technology gave the slim better cleaning ability compared tot he other models including the ball models.   The DC18 has the same suction as the DC25 I noticed no difference here!  Both have a 1200 watts motor and 220 air watts!!  The only advantage over the DC18 that the DC25 has is it may be lighter and have a better brush bar!!  Which I know it does!    We do need a new full size Dyson which the new root and core technology.   Dyson Commercial Vac about time the constant max had a successor!!

The brochures of the DC24/25 are of good quality simple but effective!

DC18

Hey DC,

I very much like the Slim and for many reasons, my Mom and neighbor both own Slim’s per my recommendation and they both love it.  The Slim motor I thought was smaller than the new DC25 but I was wrong.  The Slim here only has 200 airwatts vs. the UK, and so I thought the Slim may be replaced here by the DC25.  I like the weight of the power nozzle on the Slim vs. the DC21/15, I did not look at the DC25 nozzle although.  Looking at the front sides, the Slim indeed looks slender from top to bottom.  I was fully expecting the DC25 handle weight to be much lighter than the Slim.  I was disappointed when the handle weights felt alike.  In terms of function, I see the Slim and the DC25 competing against each other.  Perhaps the carrying handle height was to tall on the Slim, making it feel heavier than it was or a little to difficult for some to carry upstairs.  A lower carrying handle on the DC25 could of been the fix. 

Handles (grip):  The DC25's handle is placed in front of body, unlike the DC18.  There is more leverage to turn the vacuum with the handle in front of the body.  Older DC15's have handle behind and now are handle in front.  The DC15's handle weight is so that on handle back (as I call them) DC15's you hand slides up and moves toward the turning axis of rotation line, therby removing leverage. - You had to be Popeye to turn the thing.  The handle forward gives better leverage and looks to be standard.  The handle forward downside is that the carriage wheels are lower and more prone to scraping or getting in the way turning if the handle is to low to the ground.        DIB

The Ball machines have a real problem to contend with,lets see if the inventor can figure out how to fix it?
How do you stop hairs clinging to the ball mechanism?
Especialy troublesom in cold climates when static electricity build up is at it's highest point..............

I thought these guys were smart and engineers.

THE DYSON MANTRA IS WERE RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.is this not on the wall at the design school...............

  MOLE

DIB:

I would like to see the DC17 in your line up of dysons.  If you can add it?

When I saw Mole's comment that dyson has a problem, I thought he was going to say that the only dyson ever to make the top 10 by Consumer Reports, the DC17, is not in the line up. 

Knowing Mr. Dyson was concerned about the consistent low dyson ratings by Which?, and his subsequent 5 year dyson Warranty, the CR ratings have to trouble him too, especially after 6 years in the USA.  CR was extremely critical of the original dyson DC15 ball and the ball spin off: Slim DC18.  Both are among the worse rated dysons in March 2008. 

What will CR say about the DC24 and DC25, both evolved from the DC 15 and DC18?  If CR isn't impressed with the latest dyson ball spinoffs then perhaps Mr. Dyson, like Mole implies, may have to rethink the dyson mantra.  Especially if new dyson sales wane.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

MOLE  That's a very good point you've made.  Something I would have never of thought of. I am a user of the older Dyson DC04 so have not got this problem with it.  To be honest I do not like the ball,  I think it makes the machines bulky,  I know they may be good for twisting the cleaner about but I never find I have to twist my machine but (only in a small space) because my DC04 has such strong suctoion and no release on the soleplate so the machine sticks to the Lino in the bathroom and kitchen.

bucks03 wrote:

I wonder how many vacuum buyers and users feel this way? 

Dyson backed into the airblade by accident.  The ball technology

was made for wheel barrows not vacuums.  Are vacuums wheel barrows?

Vacuum buyers will be the judge.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine, I simply cut out the Dyson lineup from his UK web page and drew a line over the handles.  The image you asked for, I just copied from the US site and drew some lines.  It is the easiest for me.

As much as I dislike Consumer Reports on vacuums, at times it is science and at times it is a circus.  Yes, it has to hurt Dyson sales to some degree.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Thank you DIB. 

I would agree CR ratings affect vacuum sales.  But for Mr. Dyson, CR ratings are much more.  CR ratings affect his reputation as engineer and inventor.

WRT to ball technology on vacuums:  Maybe on full size, heavy duty vacuums like a DC17.  But lightweight household vacuums? Do you need ball technology?  The Dirt Devil Kruz [pronounced cruise] does marvelously with 3 simple ordinary wheels.  It's on my buy list  based solely on the favorable HSN demo which so impressed the HSN sales staffers.  More than any vacuum product I've ever seen advertised on home sales TV.

Carmine D.