Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I don't expect definitive answers but these questions come to mind.  All comments are welcome. 

I wonder how does one arrive at a measure, standard, criteria for establishing a 7 year maintenance free pre-motor filter?  

I can't reconcile a 7 year maintenance free filter life with a 2 year vacuum cleaner warranty.  I can understand a 2 year [or less] maintenance free filter life with a 7 year vacuum warranty.  Why?  Say the filter fails [clogs] after 2 years and before 7 years.  Is it replaced under a separate pre-motor filter warranty?  If not, of what value is the 7 year maintenance free filter life? It's a moot point.   It's not reasonable [at least to me] to make a maintenance free claim on the filter that exceeds the vacuum's warranty [unless the filter comes with a warranty for that specific period of time].  Does it make sense to others?

The cyclones in the DC22 are 30 times better than existing ones and result in 7 years of maintenance free filter life.  Then my logical deduction tells me dyson can produce bagless vacuums with cyclones that are 5-10 times better [than those dysons to date] with a year/more maintenance free pre-motor filters.  If so, why didn't dyson make them available on the DC24/25? 

Carmine D.

A quick note.  I saw the DC24 and DC25.  I was amazed how small the 24 was, it looked like a toy.  I do not own a DC24 but have a box.  Below is a pic to show some contrasting sizes.        DIB

Aceone,

Since the floor sales guy was a Dyson owner and fan, and knew James' story somewhat he and his manager were delighted to pull a 24 out of the box for display.  I asked the appliance manager how Dyson's sell at their stores?  A:  It's our best best seller.  I asked which models sell best?  A:  All of them.         DIB

Good picture to see the constrast between the DC24 box and the DC17 cyclone bin!  So you have seen the DC24 and DC25 what did you think?  The DC24 is small, I was surprised when I first saw it in person.  I wonder if the DC24 comes fully setup in the box, if it did it would be unusual for Dyson.

DC18

I can see where your coming from with the warranty and filter maintanance on the DC22 (Japan).  But if I'm correct the filter now is not covered as such by the 5 year warranty.

I think the reason for the DC24 and DC25 not to have the root and core technology was due to size and weight.  I thought both these models would have this technology on it plus the DDM too.  The root and core technology does add weight and size onto these lighter and slimmer machines.  Maybe they are working on a scalled down version of the root and core technology!?

DC18

Calm down repair man, stick within your skill set.  Dyson and others like him, take on huge risks, invent needed and profitable product just so guys like you can have a job.        DIB

Thanks.  I just finished uploading the same commercial to my host site.  The UK user video was very good to see too.  As shown, the DC24 can be whipped around effortlessly.        DIB

DC18,

DC24 thoughts:  I had trouble getting the foot peddle to release the vacuum into a recline position (a little sticky).  The brush bar rod diameter was small, not unlike a cordless Eureka stick vac w/ motorized brush.  The power head and wand were the only 2 pieces that needed to be attached after unpacking from its shipping box.  I did not run the vacuum.  Cord was thicker and heavier than my older DC15.  The cyclone and bin size looked very much like one half of the DC11's cyclone and bin.  Cyclones looked more straightened and more vertical and pulled apart/separated (from a clustering) to allow for a nicer transition and fit to the pre-filter.  The hatch on the ball was easy to remove and getting to post filter was not difficult or awkward.  Removing and replacing the post filter was very easy.  Putting the hatch back was a little tricky.  If Japan is ever going to move to or buy more uprights, then this is it!  It has a wow factor for sure and no competitors in terms of size and maneuverability.  The technology and looks are very cool, no matter what the anti-Dyson zealots say.  It is concentrated technology.

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DC24 thoughts:  I did not spend much time looking or playing with this vacuum.  It indeed uses the Slim’s cyclone and bin.  I was very disappointed to feel the handle weight compared to the Slim.  I expected a super lightweight handle weight.  These handle weights (18/25) seem exactly or near exactly the same.  I did not look more than this.

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There is no way IMO that these ball concepts can be reversed engineered or knocked off.  Dyson owns this new TM look and capabilities.  In terms of "wow factor", manuverability and suction up to 220 airwatts, Dyson has no competitors.        DIB