Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

"James must be legally comfortable with his “No Loss of Suction” tag/claim next to the DC24/25.  He is again running this tag on his U.S. Dyson.com front page." Source: DIB

"One question back to you DIB, you say he sacificed filteration for light overall weight and light to use or in use.  I can understand that on the DC24 but not so much with the DC25.  The DC25 has the same watt motor and airwatts give or take a few and the same bin and cyclone setup as the DC18 so there is no sacifice there!  But why is the filteration and filter washing different between the DC25 and DC18?  To me it should be the same!"   Source: DC18

Hello:  These two facts are mutually inclusive and co-dependent.  Why?  You can't have one without the other.  The claim "never loses suction", requires users to perform the filter maintenance more often.  Else, dyson can't make the claim.

If a company wants technological innovation with high prices, then give customers a self-cleaning filter that allows a vacuum never to lose suction. 

The consequences of the overblown dyson claim: "Never clogs, never loses suction" is coming back to haunt dyson.  You can go from cleaning every 3 months to every 6; charge more and claim better and improved.  That works.  But... go from 6 months to 3 months; charge more and claim better and improved?  Really?  Are consumers that gullible that they don't know the difference?  Apparently, somebody at dyson thinks so.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Carmine D.

I don't understand why the DC25 has a 3 month filter cleaning guide but the DC18 which uses the same bin and cyclone setup and same watt motor has a 6 months filter cleaning guide.  That is why I asked the question.  I can understand the guide on filter cleaning on the DC24.  I believe DIB meant Dyson sacified using the latest and most effective Root and Core Combined Technology on the DC24 and DC25 to improve the weight, i.e lighter in weight and use.  Where as the new cyclone technology would have increased weight/size!!  But it still doesn't answer the question about the DC25 filter cleaning, may be a call to the UK helpline may give some answers!?

As for pricing on these new models they in UK sterling prices are no more expensive than current modles to buy.  Take the DC24 £239.99 which is normally the price for the Base DC07 and DC14 when they where launched and they didn't have brush control. The DC25 is £279.99 which is what the base DC18 Slim when launched was and is cheaper than the DC15 Ball when that came out which was over £300.00.  I think the prices of the new models in terms of Dyson pricing of his vacuums is comparable to the rest of the model line up at present. 

DC18

DC18 wrote:

You might learn if you ask that dyson plans to revise all the filter maintenance timeframes on its models, including the DC17 and DC18, to 3 months. 

Carmine D.

I've just test driven the new DC25 here in the US.  I agree with DC18 and I am generally impressed with the DC25. There are many improved features over previous models although it does have less cyclones that the Absolute(5 vs. 8). The suction and air-flow were impressive, even with less cyclones, and the handling was light and generally easy to steer. The new valve system which keeps the suction in the floor head until the wand is pulled up is a very welcome addition. The model was fairly quiet when running with or with out the motorized brush bar.

Another couple of interesting things to add about the DC25:

-The motor is located inside the ball, thus giving a lower center of gravity and easier control.
-There is a secondary filter located inside the ball(which is also where the exhaust port is located, thus the new vents.) This filter is a more solid(poly-reinforced) type filter unlike the foam in a frame filter located above the cyclones. It must also be cleaned every 3 months, by rinsing then smacking it down 10 times, then letting dry for 24 hours(as opposed to 12 hours for the foam filter.) To access the filter, the vacuum must be placed in a fully reclined position upon which a tab can be pressed to access the hatch. As a side note, the ball can feel pretty warm directly after use(probably because of the motor and exhaust port.)

Haven't seen the DC24 yet, but I am pretty sure I will purchase the DC25 in the near future.

DC25:

Nice review, thanks.  How much is the DC25?

Carmine D.

DC18,

I somehow got it in my head early on, that the DC25 performance was par with all Dyson full sized uprights.  I was wrong, sorry.       

 

James wants his potential consumers to judge suction strength on “Airwatts (Suction Power)” and so it seems the DC25 is the better choice in terms of handle weight, overall weight and maneuverability compared to the DC15 but the downside is more pre-filter washing.  I’ve read almost all James’ cyclone patents and did some testing and observing on my own, there are a lot of variables that go into making a good or “perfect” cyclonic vacuum cleaner.  Many things I discovered are not mentioned in his patents.  James only used enough verbiage in his patent claims only so to get his physical invention patented but not unnecessarily give away the trade secrets to HIS cyclonic’s.  Certainly the DC22/23 look to be the “perfect” or near perfect cyclonic filtering vacuum cleaner.        DIB

Carmine,

The DC25 is $499.99 while the DC24 is $399.99.

Thank you, DC25. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

But you knew that already didn't you Carmine ;-)

So that means Dyson has changed the valve design for the 3rd time.  The first Dyson DC01 and DC03 used to have no suction until the wand was unclipped from the main body but the valve had already transferred the suction to the wand but there was a seal preventing any suction which meant handly any anirflow going to the motor so the motor pitch would rise quite a but (My old DC03 was VERY noisy with its tiny 700 watt motor).

Dyson then went to the DC04, 07 and 14, 15, 18 etc etc with havig full suction at the wand with just a Cap covering this which I felt created extra noise also.

The addition with this new valve design in the DC24 and 25 - Suction at the head until the wand is unclipped is a welcome addition,  I suspect its to help keep the machine quiet and is safer than having full suction at the wand when upright or the extra strain on motor as on the first models.

Dyson seems to be getting better with reliability which were big issues in UK with the first generation models.