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http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

DysonInventsBig wrote:

My,My,My, How Desperate Sir Jimmy and the Boy wonders in r&d have become,bringing back the ball [thats already a failure],and trying to fool the consumer into thinking it's something new.I Quess they had to find a place to unload all the wheels left over from the ballbarrow.They look like they need to do research in other markets,they should look into desinger underwear,and get out of the vacuum market,and stop embarrising themselves.

MOLE

Motorhead wrote:
I don't know about others but I'm guessing that the test team at Consumer Reports can't wait to get the DC24 and 25 in its sights.  It should be very interesting. 

CR has taken dyson head on for producing high priced vacuum products with more sizzle than substance.  The mommie and baby ball's precursors [the Ball DC15 and Slim DC18] are not among CR's favorites.  Quite the contrary.  The DC15 gets a poor rating for pet hair pick up and is called a waste of consumers' $500 by CR.  The DC18 Slim is heckled by CR in favor of the much better time tested $60 HOOVER Tempo.  Jaydee's new generation of mommie and baby ball vacuums are destined to be scrutinized closely by CR for function and performance.    Count on it.  Quite possibly as a result of the CR reviews the mommie and baby ball uprights could well be the laughing stock of the industry in the USA.  And win a reputation for jaydee as a brilliant inventor who can't tie his own shoes.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

When will the boneheads at DYSOON realize that the upright market is loosing ground and at a very fast pace,They will never make it in the canister market,they dont know how to.They better start chasing the real low end market if they still want to be a player.The dc21,22,23, will be the BUTT of many industry jokes.

TIme AND THE CONSUMER WILL REALLY TELL THEM HOW INNOVATIVE THEY ARE.

Can I have the dyson propaganda money now

MOLE

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Above and below are snaps from a Dyson.co.uk flash movie.  It is much easier to view stills versus a looping movie. Below, "exploded view" can be seen in a  JUMBO size.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:
Hi Carmine,

It will be interesting what CR says.  I do agree with what you said about the ratings, etc., *not* because CR is a reliable source, but because there will undoubtedly be buyers out there that take CR's ratings to be the gospel.  That right there will be the main influence, just because they don't know any better.  Sure, the DC15 was certainly not the best, but it was also far from the worst.  Why CR didn't like the DC18 is beyond me; once again part of their inconsistent ratings.  Aside from the small bin capacity, I really don't see anything wrong with it.  In one issue the DC18 was covered in their "claim check" up front and they bashed it there as well.  Again, I believe CR doesn't like it simply because it's a Dyson.  And a Dyson will never occupy their top-rated position for that reason, no matter how good it is.  That's just how they are. 

With the Tempo, "time-tested" could very well be synonymous with "outdated".  The Hoover Windtunnel/Tempo is like the Chevrolet Venture/Uplander of vacuums, for lack of a better comparison other than the fact that they are from the same year.  Sure, with a few cosmetic improvements they both can look reasonably modern (and even that's stretching it), but underneath it's the same old outdated design from 1996 that really wasn't that great in the first place.  Besides, I'm glad to report that we're out of the phase where the majority of vacuums out there are still made of grainy-textured black plastic like the 90's and the early part of this decade.  The only difference, obviously, is that CR likes the Tempo and hates the Uplander ;-)

-MH

Hi DIB

Thanks for posting the pictures and links.   The 'freeze frames' from the Gizmodo web site are good.  The pictures with James Dyson gives a better idea of size of these machines, the DC25 can not be that much bigger!  Looking at the brush bar on the DC24 and DC25 it looks like one piece which comes out one end unlike the DC15 and DC18 which had 2 pieces.  Post motor filter in the ball itself!  The ball looks bigger in the pictures to the original DC15!  These 2 new Ball Machines have been designed to be more sleek on the outside which gives the nozzle better clearance...not as slim as the DC18 at the base!  The DC24 and DC25 (and DC22) like impressive!

DC18

Motorhead wrote:

Not at all.  Synonymous with "classic."  Performance and price never go out of date.  It gets better with age.  Especially when the "latest and greatest" supposed innvovative competitors can't match up in price and/or performance. 

I don't agree that Consumer Reports is prejudiced against dyson by name and/or products.  I believe more accurately that CR is prejudiced against bagless machines and high priced-low to mediocre performing vacuums.  I empathize with CR and I fully understand its perspective and frame of reference. 

I believe that CR, especially over the last several decades, focuses on brand name vacuums sold by big box retail stores.  Sure Kirby, RICCAR, ORECK, Miele, SEBO, Filter Queen and Rainbow get reviewed continually.  Because of historical reasons and to round out the venue.  But, by and large CR caters to the likes and dislikes of consumers who shop at the big box retailers for vacuums.  This is dyson's sales venue of choice.  The ratings and rankings of vacuums are geared toward their interests and concerns.  Not vacuum collectors, vacuum enthusiasts, vacuum historians, and vacuum cleaner industry experts and professionals.  Hence, once again I say that this is the reason I never subscribe to CR except to buy an occasional monthly edition when the need arises. 

Carmine D.

This link below towards the end says the DC24 Ball does not come with a manual!! (also includes a link to an interview with Sir James Dyson)

http://www.dwell.com/daily/blog/13864047.html

DC18

DC18,

I'm glad you liked my info.  I indeed enjoyed reading and listening to the interview you posted, especially when James thru his vacuum to prove it was built tuff.  I was good to hear how respectful the interviewer was to James.  I read a press relase today that said Dyson has sold 24 million vacuums to date.        DIB

DIB

Just a few vacuums sold then!! I'm sure with these 3 new models a few more will be sold.  The DC24, DC25 and DC22 will do well in the UK.  Price point sare very good as well, the DC24 and DC25 not being anywhere near the original DC15 Ball.  Plus they are around the usual price points which is good!   Even though they are smaller and slim they are still built the same quality or course as the bigger models!  Which James Dyson proved to the interviewer! 

I'm interested to see all 3 models but in particular the DC24 and DC25 with especially the new nozzle on them!  From the first pictures the brush density on the brush bar looks the same as the DC15/DC18!  That aside the whole nozzle setup is completely new so will be interesting to see!

DC18