Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Apparently there's a new Dyson model that will be launched in February at the VDTA Convention.  I don't know any further specifics on whether or not it's going to be a canister or upright, but apparently all attendees of the show will be able to see it and place their orders.  I wonder if the $899 pricetag will be a detriment to sales, or are Americans willing to pay a premium for superior performance and space-age motor technology?

Has anyone else heard anything yet?  I'm curious to know what it is as I bought the DC21 right when it came out in March.  That and the DC17 are the only ones that impressed me so far, it will be interesting to see how this one is.

mole wrote:

Hello Mole:

I'd recommend the $60 HOOVER Tempo over a $500 dyson any day in every way and not think twice.  I did so on vacuum Forums for years before Consumer Reports said exactly the same as me: CR recommended the HOOVER Tempo over the $469 dyson DC18 Lite [Slim].  

Carmine D.

Mole,

I realize I will probably be eaten alive for this but. . .

I have no experiences with the Dyson beyond the story I posted about my Nephew and his wife's machine.  However, I have had experience with Kirbys.  There are some major differences between the Kirby and the Dyson.  The Kirby will still be running and doing a beauitful job 30 years after the Dyson has met the garbage heap.   If the Kirby should break down, you can always find a repair shop willing to work on it.  Kirby's parts are readily available, and Kirby will always be available to rebuild the machine for a nominal fee returning it to it's original condition and performance. 

Again I may not be giving Dyson it's dues because I have no experience with them, but I have been pushing a Kirby since I could walk so I admit being partial.    I have a Omega purchased new on May 30, 1975 that is still used at least twice a week.  The only thing not original on that machine is the brush roll and belts.   I also have a Ultimate G, but if the truth be told; I love the Omega the most.

DC23 might well be the first canister featuring Level3 cyclone AKA 'core separation'. Dyson will have been looking to get this in their canister range as soon as possible, so that they can capitalise on the benefits. Maybe it'll have the digital motor option?

There's the outside chance it might be a variant of the DC12 (tiny canister), which is still currently only available in Japan. I personally hope that something like this is introduced to the market soon. I still don't have a Dyson cleaner at home because I'm forever waiting on this one!

Just wrote:

Hello Just;

In my opinion, your conclusions about dyson vice Kirby are valid and accurate.  And your personal experience is proven based on present and past vacuum industry experience.  However, dyson was never and still isn't concerned about comparisons to Kirby [and dyson coming up lacking].   Dyson markets its vacuum products against the big box retail store makes and models.  The new vacuums priced at average and below average prices.  Offering an alternative to buyers who want better vacuums but are not willing to go with the industry stalwarts and icons sold door to door and/or at the independent vacuum stores.  Regardless of what you think of dyson's products, this was excellent marketing strategy and perfectly timed for launch in the US market.

The upshot of dyson's [and other big box store brands] indifference to comparisons to the better and best vacuums on the market is the ever increasing likelihood that high end US vacuum buyers become frustrated and disgusted with the big box store brands.  As American consumers are more concerned about quality purchases and higher standards [especially in light of the whole China fiasco] and contemplate $400, $500 and $600 vacuum purchases from big box retail stores, they will scoff at dyson [and other big box retail store vacuum brands].  Part ways with big box retailers for vacuum purchases in favor of the industry icons like Kirby, Royal, Aerus, RICCAR, ORECK, Miele, Sebo, Bosch, Lindhaus, and the other top tier vacuum brands.  Not just new models but used and rebuilt models ala Mole and Venson's comments on another thread.  Big box retailers know this and realize that the "new vacuum buying mindset" [not necessarily buying new] for quality is setting in already with high end US buyers.   In short, Americans are fed up with the China crap.  Period.  And looking for better alternatives: The quality and proven vacuum brands both new and used.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I agree with you.  Look at the signature dyson products in the USA and abroad.  The successful ones are the pint size not the full size which have failed miserably to impress the industry: DC07, 14 and 15 are scoffed at by even the dyson enthusiasts on the Forums.  The DC11 was the laughing stock of the industry for canisters.  The mini's like the DC18  and the Japanese canister have fared the best.  And dyson prices them just as high as the full sized.  The poses a question for dyson.  How long can it survive, let alone flourish, by building a reputation for producing and marketing so so full sized vacuum products at premium prices? 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Thank you for validating me. 

 I did not mean to be knocking the Dyson, because as I said I have no experience with them.  In an effort to not compare apples to bananas I will say that from what I have heard the Dyson is the best among the bagless machines. 

 

Hello M00seUK

I thought the DC22 (Canister) which was laucnhed in Japan had the new 'Core' Separation Cyclone system already?  This I know is only available in Japan which has 4 models 2 with the DDM and 2 with conventional motors!

DC18

Hi DC18 and M00seUK,

If you look at the pictures in the other thread you'll notice that the DC22 is in fact a Level 3 machine.  Not sure about the DC23, though I would bet it is similar.

-MH

Hello Motorhead

Yes it does, I would think any new model like the DC22 will feature the new Level 3 'Core' technology and even some have the DDM as standard!  There was a web link on this post but has since been removed with some info for the DC23!?

DC18

Just wrote:

Hello Just:

While that may have been true [dyson is the best among bagless] when the DC07 was launched in 2002, I'm not sure it still is today and for the future.  Of course, "best" is in the eyes of the judge.  But more prevalent and pervasive now, almost 6 years later, are a plethora of competitive upright bagless models in a wide range of prices. 

Carmine D.