Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The Dyson DC22 canister was very recently introduced in Japan. I have heard that this will make it to the US market in order to expand their canister range.

Key Features:

-Root Cyclone with Core Separation
-Dyson Digital Motor
-Stowaway Design
-Motorhead
-Pre filter rinse once every seven years

I happened to see the Dyson Baby (DC22) on display at a store the other day, so went on over to take a closer look. It's certainly smaller than the other Dyson canisters, but hrmmm... not as small as I'd like and presumably not as small as the DC12? Why is this? Has it fallen victim to the root cyclone 'arms race' where more visible cyclones is seen as a good thing? Pffft.. soon it'll be as getting bad as Gillette are with razor blades! Also, the DC22 doesn't  have Core separator - I think?

I noticed what buck03 was saying about the inner part of the wand being plastic, not aluminium. Again, I'd love to know why this is. I guess it's either 1)reduce costs and/or 2)improve reliability but either way it looks cheap in comparison.

Still, not a bad vac and there's nothing else quite like it at the top end. I'm in the progress of moving house at the moment, but I'll likely be looking to buy one in time.

I like the new metallic styling... I'll wasn't too sure of it to begin with, but it makes it look a lot more substantial. I noticed that the other brands (Electrolux) are starting to copy it. Just as in the beginning, they laughed at Dyson's 'crazy' yellow and grey styling, then copied it.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

Hope all is well with you and yours.

The first bagless upright in the USA

that was yellow and grey and used the moniker

"cyclonic' on the machine is the EUREKA

Whirlwind.  It predates dyson's DC07 by a good

number of years here and there.  EUREKA didn't

sue dyson for copying. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Vortex type suction machines have been using the phrase cyclonic to describe their patent claims since the late 1800's/early 1900's.

Eureka should do everything possible to protect its assets, patents and trademarks from attacks.  The Eureka “Cyclonic” Trademark, can you produce it? 

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I have the very short (complete or near complete) list of the lawsuits Dyson has filed since launching the DC07 here in the U.S.  Today and in the past you’ve indicated James Dyson is lawsuit hungry.  Can you produce these lawsuits?        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

The first time EUREKA used the yellow and grey colors

was in the early 50's with the Model 910 Roto-Matic.  Old-timers

in the vacuum business recall this canister model.  EUREKA

allowed a free in home trial for customers.  EUREKA's written claim was

it had tremendous suction: 71 cubic feet of air per minute.  According to

EUREKA: " It actually moves far more air than similar cleaners-a true

measure of real cleaning power." Used paper bags in a cloth.

Carmine D.

Hello DIB:

The EUREKA bagless Whirlwind uses

a clear bin too.  So users could see the dirt

and swirling suction action.  Sound familiar?

I believe dyson did the same following EUREKA's

lead.

What do you know about the Kenneth J. versus dyson

lawsuit over the vacuum ball facilitator?  Now that's

an interesting case.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

 

Well I was not expecting a respectful reply, thank you.  Indeed I like a good challenge or strong opinion when it is delivered with respect.

I’ll put some thoughts down and well get back on and off (hopefully) today or tomorrow.        DIB

DIB:

Today is Palm Sunday and the beginning of Holy Week. 

Must make an extra effort to be respective for the Holy Triduum.

Dyson has a host of others who came before to emulate and copy. 

Tho I believe its understanding and appreciation for vacuum history

especially in the USA is very lacking. 

Carmine D.

I have the new Dyson brochures (UK) of the DC22/23 and DC24/25. In the DC22/23 brochure it states both these models have root & core technology.  Although the web (UK site) does not mention the DC22 has this technology!  The web only mentions the DC23 that has root and core technology!

DC18

Heard a bit more info today about the DC23 Motorhead for the US.  It is a slightly larger machine than the DC22 which I didn't realize, I thought it was simply a US DC22 (like what we saw last year when the DC20 and 21 were introduced).  Due to the $899 retail price which we all heard about before, it will only be sold at independent vac shops where it can be demonstrated, to compete with Miele and other high-end brands.  The DDM-equipped DC23 is supposed to pull 165" of water lift and produce 410 CFM of airflow (pretty damn impressive, blows even central vacs out of the water). 

While it is a sister machine to the DC21 for now, I would bet that in the future it will be replacing the DC21 due to the advanced technology.

I want one now...right next to the DC12 ;-)

-MH

Hey Tom/M.H. do you agree that dysons attachments are absolute junk compared to Miele/aerus/electrolux/bosch/ sebo/lindhaus.How many times have you told Jimmy that to be a player in the high end can market they better step it up with excellent attachments.899.00 ?I'm sure these must really be flying off the dealers shelves.

MOLE