Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello Dusty:

You can run your vacuum business and use professional certs any way you wish when you wish.  You can sell what you like at the prices you like to your customers.  You don't have to justify your reasons to anyone except yourself.   Nice thing about being your own boss. 

If you don't know the answer to your question to me, then you are not as smart as I thought you are.  And to be in business for yourself, you certainly have to be smart.  So I'm sure you know the answer.  Which is all that really matters, right?

Good Luck

Carmine D.

To HS et al:

What do you think of dyson USA selling the DC16 at $100 off with the purchase of any new dyson?  Surprised?  I opine that big box retailers, who carry the DC16, will do the same and maybe even offer the DC16 as a free giveaway.  Very soon.  They don't want to have them on the shelves unsold during the 2008 Holiday sales season.  Both full size and hand held dysons. 

I'm hearing rumblings that several big dyson retailers here in LV and their store chains around the country are looking to cull the dysons completely from their store shelves.  Why?  Not selling.  Just keep dysons for on-line sales until sold out.  Then, see what happens next with the economy.  Some of these stores have even stopped advertising the dyson vacuums.  Resorted to price mark downs on dysons in the stores to sell out.

You're a corporate guy HS [top/upper management?] with vast knowledge and experience.  Maybe you have the answer to this question that I posed earlier.  Why can't dyson increase the run time of its hand held vacuum in over 2 years above 5 minutes.  But dyson can work on a new green car that runs on batteries?  Sounds like a huge waste of time and money for the company and its 450 engineers and 12 designers.  Scattering their resources on an uncertain future product that may or may not pan out.   Based on their own 2 year plus track record on the DC16, dyson can't even improve their existing little simple hand held vacuum.  What's make it think it can build a battery operated car?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

For as long as I can remember Oreck has had to offer free gifts to sell their $50 vacuums for a premium price.  Why is it so terrible for Dyson tho offer a discount or freebie?  Dyson is not the only vacuum to be discounted in stores.  Why is it you never mention that? 

We have heard rumblings from you for years that BB was pulling Dyson off the shelves.  Ain't happened. You told us that they were being pulled from end caps.  Didn't happen. You told us that Hoover would overcome Dyson.  It seemed as if they introduced a new product every 30 days or so and never pulled the old junk out of production.  According to you each new model would be the demise of Dyson.  Didn't happen.  Hoover had to sell.  Dyson is not on the market. 

I am not an engineer so I will not attempt to solve the battery issue.  The opportunity is there for all, corporate or not.  None has responded. If you were as intelligent as you pose to be you would develop that battery.  You could easily make up for all those poor earnings you experienced in you shop.  It does seem more logical to increase battery run time in an auto than in a vacuum.  At least Dyson with all it's employees is supporting families rather than just the family who owns the business like Oreck.

Why hasn't Oreck improved their vac in the past 45 years?  Belts last only a few weeks and even deteriorate while sitting in the closet.  What if belts on autos were of such inferior quality.  Why can't they add a hose to their upright rather than requiring a hand held that has low suction, extra bags, extra labor to pull out for use and extra storeage. Why can't Ol Dave just offer a lower price and keep his freebies?  No, wait, we both know the freebies are what sells Oreck.  If you can't do better thereis no need to criticize the competition.

I think I will sit on my Carmine for a while.

HARDSELL:

This thread is about dyson not HOOVER and ORECK.  Keep the three separate. 

Back to the subject of the thread.  Dyson is not taking a $100 off its DC16 because they are selling well.  Quite the opposite.  The only thing they do well is get returned to the stores when the buyers/users realize that the run time is 5 minutes.  I'm not surprised dyson added the run time to its Web Site, although in the past it was not mentioned.  Pressure by the retailers who were getting these DC16-s back in high numbers, no doubt.

If dyson can't solve the battery run time on a simple hand held vacuum and resorts to discounting them and eventually giving away,  I have no confidence that dyson can design and produce a car that can run on batteries.  None.  But the news stories, if you can call them news, more like hype, give credence to having 450 engineers and 12 designers.  Until you realize they are not gainfully employed and under utilized for improving current dyson products let alone working on new and uncertain future ones.  Completely unrelated to vacuums. 

Now settle down and relax.  Have a cup of joe and chill. 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

Good.  I hope it helps you think more clearly and correctly.  It does for me.  Happy to help.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
If any other poster had written an opinion and claimed it as fact I'm sure you'd remind them in every post that followed.  Yep, I knew the answer.  Just wanted to give you the chance to admit you were incorrect.  Something it seems you have a hard time doing.

Dusty

Like you Dusty, I tossed it out for argument's sake.  Have to admit, it sounds like is a pretty good argument.  Got your attention and raised your curiosity.  For all I know the dyson illustrations and directions played a role, even if small, in the cert.  Or done by dyson to get the cert.  You don't know for a fact anymore than I do.  Were you there?

Getting back to my original request in my post to you:  I asked whether the Asthma and Allergy Foundation charged fees for its service to stay in business.  Apparently, you still don't know whether it does or not but were anxious to cite it anyway.  [For argument's sake].  While condemning CRI's cert as biased for accepting fees.  Double standard, my good fellow.  Hey what's a double standard when you are making a profit selling dysons.  Right?

Where one stands oftentimes depends on where they sit.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

We know at least one major retailer that dropped the dyson line months ago lock stock and barrel: Linens-n-Things.  Pushes the BISSELL bagless now instead.

You might want to take a look at the vacuums on the HOME DEPOT Web Site too.  Particularly dyson brand.  Let us know what you think about it.

Carmine D.

Dyson is also conspicuously missing from the costco web site, although I believe they are available in the stores.

CarmineD wrote:
I see.  So I toss something out for arguments sake and get questioned while you toss a personal thought out as fact and that is ok?  Sounds like you run with your own set of double standards.  I never claimed authenticity of the Asthma society testing anywhere in my post, show me where I did if you believe I'm incorrect. I just asked you how Dyson could achieve it.  You, when asked responded with the following...

  The certs are granted for one reason and one reason only. They are based on users reading and following the dyson Users Manual for dirt bin dumping. Why do you think dyson devotes 2 pages of explicit detail and instructions.

You repeated this a second time in another post, once again never stating it was your own opinion instead of fact.  When questioned on this piece of fiction you couldn't even be stand up enough to admit you were incorrect, instead you once again answered with yet another question.

Where one stands oftentimes depends on where they sit indeed.

Dusty