Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

CarmineD wrote:
I checked the RIA website and didn't find any reference to Oreck, or Dyson for that matter. Does this mean Oreck isn't performing like it used to?  I somehow doubt it (seeing as it hasn't really changed in 40 years) but I am suspect of any institute that allows for submission of product and charges the company for testing.  Can a company really be unbiased when they are accepting money from the same people they are testing?  Highly unlikely.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

ORECK probably is absent from the RIA site for the same reason it was not included in the MArch 2008 Consumer Reports edition covering vacuums.  I opine that the new Deluxe series of ORECK models recently launched were too late for the CR deadline.  These are probably being tested and updated to the RIA site.  ORECK has long been a RIA certifed and recommended upright vacuum.

Perhaps you will tell us what is the signature dyson vacuum?  The greater dyson? 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

DIB:

This got pushed to the back after some lengthy posts by HS.  I wanted to make sure you see it since you were kind enough to post the Forbes links about dyson.  I subscribed to Forbes years ago.  No more.  Not after father Forbes passed.  Steve Forbes, his son, is okay.  Not a good presidential candidate and politician.  But not like his Harley riding Dad.  May his soul rest in peace.

Any thoughts?  Please tell us which dyson you consider to be the signature model.  Thanks.

BTW, the ubend airway joint kow towed in importance by dyson fans:  Without it and in most cases it was missing and never made it out of the box, caused the DC07 not to have any suction in the tool mode.   Buck item.  Poor design and function.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty:

Good point.  Unfortunately, all companies and profesional associations and organizations have to accept fees to stay in business.  It's the nature of the beast.  Consumers are free to accept/reject the recommendations and certs. 

Ironic you are a believer and quoter of the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy cert for dysons.  But not RIA?  Did the organization accept a fee from dyson to test and certify?  Or is it free?  Maybe you can find out and tell us.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm just a quoter for arguments sake.  I take all recommendations with a grain of salt, especially Consumer Reports who claim to be completely unbiased and never receive freebies from the manufacturer.  I

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine D.I.B. not going to give you an answer,because dyson can not figure out which is the greater dyson.

AFTER 16 million prototypes we still cant figure it out.

But our marketing department is the best that money can buy................

MOLE

CarmineD wrote:

Dusty:

Good point.  Unfortunately, all companies and professional associations and organizations have to accept fees to stay in business.  It's the nature of the beast.  Consumers are free to accept/reject the recommendations and certs. 

Ironic you are a believer and quoter of the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy cert for dysons.  But not RIA?  Did the organization accept a fee from dyson to test and certify?  Or is it free?  Maybe you can find out and tell us.

Carmine D.

I'm just a quoter for arguments sake.  I take all recommendations with a grain of salt, especially Consumer Reports who claim to be completely unbiased and never receive freebies from the manufacturer. 

Dusty

dusty wrote on June 9, 2008:

Hello Dusty:

I posted your quotes in red to stand out.  

Once again, you are back pedalling.  You are the most conflicted and confused poster on this Forum.  You sell dysons [presumably for the profit] but your heart is with RICCAR and SEBO.  

About a week ago you proclaimed the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs for dyson vacuums in the US and CAN.  Yesterday, you did an about face.  You said all certs by the RIA are biased because they are granted for a fee for service.  Today, I point out your contradictory posts.  You then say you take certs/approvals with a grain of salt.  Three different positions on certs/approvals in one week.  For, against, and neutral.  You can't have it three ways!  Unless you are running for President.   

Indeed if you believe and post that certs/approvals are useless because they are biased in accepting fees, then it's true for all certs/approvals that charge fees.  Including the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs in the USA and Canada for dysons.  Right?  That's deductive reasoning.  It's self-evident. 

You are either so conflicted and confused or, like many of the dyson fans who post here, you provide proof for my statement.  Where one stands oftentimes depends on where he/she sits.  Chose your poison and swallow gingerly!

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello Dusty:

I posted your quotes in red to stand out.  

Once again, you are back pedalling.  You are the most conflicted and confused poster on this Forum.  You sell dysons [presumably for the profit] but your heart is with RICCAR and SEBO.  

About a week ago you proclaimed the authenticity of the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs for dyson vacuums in the US and CAN.  Yesterday, you did an about face.  You said all certs by the RIA are biased because they are granted for a fee for service.  Today, I point out your contradictory posts.  You then say you take certs/approvals with a grain of salt.  Three different positions on certs/approvals in one week.  For, against, and neutral.  You can't have it three ways!  Unless you are running for President.   

Indeed if you believe and post that certs/approvals are useless because they are biased in accepting fees, then it's true for all certs/approvals that charge fees.  Including the Asthma and Allergy Foundation certs in the USA and Canada for dysons.  Right?  That's deductive reasoning.  It's self-evident. 

You are either so conflicted and confused or, like many of the dyson fans who post here, you provide proof for my statement.  Where one stands oftentimes depends on where he/she sits.  Chose your poison and swallow gingerly!

Carmine D.

Tell us about deductive reasoning.   You hold the record.  For you to accuse anyone of this is totally  asinine. 

You use CR to if they support your arguments and then tell us to use it only as a guide.

You drop a topic like a hot potatatoe when you are proven to be lieing.  Most recently you stated that all Oreck customers are totally satisfied.  We found that to be an exageration (lie).

You have swallowed a lot of poicon.  Perhaps you can share your antidote.

DIB:

This got pushed to the back after some lengthy posts by HS.  I wanted to make sure you see it since you were kind enough to post the Forbes links about dyson.  I subscribed to Forbes years ago.  No more.  Not after father Forbes passed.  Steve Forbes, his son, is okay.  Not a good presidential candidate and politician.  But not like his Harley riding Dad.  May his soul rest in peace.

Any thoughts?  Please tell us which dyson you consider to be the signature model.  Thanks.

Mole and Carmine:  The Ball line is the signature Dyson line.  Why?  It has the greater number of usable, Dyson-only/proprietary technologies or abilities.  I’m betting this signature (The) Ball on the DC24/25 get more attention (looks, touch, feel and test drive time) than any other upright at big box retailers.  Filtering has suffered and I know why, but it stays with me.

BTW, the ubend airway joint kow towed in importance by dyson fans:  Without it and in most cases it was missing and never made it out of the box, caused the DC07 not to have any suction in the tool mode.   Buck item.  Poor design and function.

When you’re right, you’re right.  Having an item pop off easily and difficult (for some) to reattach and/or go mising is not good for the consumer, retailer or Dyson.  Talk of missing Dyson parts at retailer shelves…  the DC16’s batteries and chargers are all gone (a $45 or so part).  It is not uncommon to see batteries and chargers on eBay.        DIB

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Thank you for recognizing constructive criticism vice a cheap pot shot.  I knew you would sooner or later.

Second, I highlighted the pertinent part of your statement.  You cite dyson models DC24/25 as a signature ones for dyson.  You gloss over the recent pitfalls of their filters with no explanations other than you are not saying.  Really?  Do you have special knowledge that is proprietary?  Or is the reason incriminating? 

Do you think future dyson buyers, especially of these signature models, are entitled to know why they are paying $500 for a dyson vacuum that requires much more filter attention/maintenance than all its older and discontinued predecessors?  Weren't they told up until now by dyson that the filtering technology [with 5127 prototypes] is the quintessential vacuum invention.  Worthy of the higher prices.  

You passed over, as the signature models, all the dysons with the innovative no fuss/no hassle pre-post motor filters.  Why?

For a ball wheel?  For a pivot and steering vacuum?  What if I don't want either of those.  I want the best filtering dyson has to offer for $500.  Why doesn't  the DC24/25 have the best filtering dyson has to offer?

Carmine D.